Various TOTEM posts 2001 - 2003

Dylan Couper · April 26th, 2003, 09:44 AM

I'll go see it because Henry Rollins is in it.

Mark Argerake · April 26th, 2003, 02:17 PM

http://www.ifp.org/calendar/eventitem.php?chapter=2&id=451

I don't want this to be a film vs. video thread. I'm curious so I'm going, and was wondering if anyone else is.

K. Forman · April 26th, 2003, 06:11 PM

If I could afford it, and it was close by, I would most definately go. I love learning different aspects in creating video and art.

Joe Carney · April 28th, 2003, 01:50 PM

I guess with all the focus on trying to make video look like film, there are times when shot on Video can be awesome.

I've had the Santana Supernatural concert DVD for awhile now and it looks like it was shot with HD cameras (I don't know for sure). The level of detail, the color, the excellent sound. I actually like it better than the Eagles Hell Freezes Over DVD. If you are a Santana fan, or just want to see how good live concert/shot on video footage can be, buy or rent it. If you have a good home theater setup with 5.1 and DTS support, definitely choose the DTS audio option in setup. Also includes 4 music videos.

The audio/video engineering on this DVD is great. The camera shots, the DTS option... all make for very compelling live concert footage. In this case, the 'film look' would have made it a lesser production. In addition to music from the CD he closes with oustanding versions of several of his classics.

Any comments?

Ivan Hedley Enger · April 30th, 2003, 12:37 AM

Hi Joe,
In my opinion there are a lot of times when shot on Video can be awesome. Maybe I am a little bit weird, but I have never understood why it is so important to make video look like film.

I think video filmed on a good camcorder makes great pictures. "But, it looks like video", someone says. Yes,.....and....? So what?! I personally like that look.

I agree with you, Joe. Enjoy the digital video and sound. When it gives you such a great quality, I guess you doesn´t miss the filmlook at all?

Ivan

Joe Carney · May 1st, 2003, 06:14 PM

Ivan, in this case, it was a better production because it kept the live shot on video look. The DVD is live concert footage, plus music videos and interviews in the extras. IMHO very well done. But I think you need a good HD camera to get that look (lots of detail, excellent colors....). DV25 cuuldn't make something look that good.

Another good one to check out is The Eagles' "Hell Freezes Over". another live concert, with excellent audio and well shot video. Includes a bonus track if your system supports DTS.

One to avoid is one made by/for Sting a year or so ago. Truly awful. And I've heard nothing but bad things about Kylie Monogues pre world tour DVD. There are also DVD which are simply collections of Music Video (eminem has a couple out).

The best ones seem to go beyond just your standard live concert footage and take advantage of multiiple camera angles (lots of boom/crane shots). The Santana one even shot from behind everyone.
Made for a video that was both intimate and energetic. The audio is good enough you could turn off your TV and just listen.

One other great thing. No lipsynching, no voice compression or enhancement. None.
The singers who sang the 2 top hits from the CD didn't sound near as good as the Studio engineers made them out to be, Yet because it was real, I end up liking these live vesions better the the CD versions.

Matt Betea · May 4th, 2003, 01:37 PM

Looks like the record industry is going to an all time new low:
nytimes
and
wired
I like how they're always trying to spin it off on internet downloading. Don't mention that in the past 3-4 years at least, all we've been fed is some regurgitated BS that the industry wants to call music. Also that other than Best Buy, you're going to be paying $16+ for a cd, please.

Oh, almost forgot, the other industry crying about companies wanting to help consumers zdnet
If they really cared, why wouldn't they, themselves implement something to allow someone to make 1 backup copy. And if they're so worried why not force everyone to view their movies only in theaters or encrypted PPV.

Greg Filipkowski · May 7th, 2003, 10:27 PM

See this trailer!!! how did they do 360 shots? there is one?
http://www.caliboyzxtreme.com/video/teaser%20slq.mov

Rob Lohman · May 8th, 2003, 05:47 AM

I'm not exactly sure what you are asking. But it looks like it was
shot from another motorcycle or something...

Greg Filipkowski · May 8th, 2003, 07:22 AM

There is a 360 degree shot in there going all around up and down, some kind a fly cam?

Zac Stein · May 15th, 2003, 08:18 AM

I wasn't sure where to put still photography stuff, i have put it here before so i figured it would be ok here.

I have the final designs down to my ghetto 35 adapter, and i planned on putting a canon FD mount on it, why you ask?

Because FD lenes are cheap!, and i have seen fast lenses extremely cheap, like $60 AUD for a 135mm f 2.* (i forget).

My question is, are these lenses crap? is that why they are cheap? or just old?

Thanx for the help.
Zac

Bill Ravens · May 15th, 2003, 12:44 PM

I have a whole bag full of old FD lenses that i use with my old F-1.
These lenses were as fine as they get, comparable to the Nikkor lenses from Nikon, in their day. They're still damn good! They just don't have the electronic link to the camera for exposure setting.

Keith Loh · May 15th, 2003, 01:29 PM

This is a great article about the translator for all the Hollywood bootlegs that would end up in Iraq, who had the unenviable task of packaging the stuff up for Saddam and his cronies.

Saddam and Uday go to the movies

By Patrick Healy, Globe Staff, 5/15/2003

AGHDAD -- For Uday Hussein, the cutthroat son of Saddam, high culture came to Iraq when Russell Crowe entered the arena, sword in hand, ready to kill.

More in the Boston Globe:
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/13..._movies+.shtml

Three days after ''Gladiator'' was released in the United States, Uday was ''going mad'' to find a bootleg copy of the swords-and-sandals epic, his chief movie translator recalled in an interview. Uday had followed the buzz about ''Gladiator'' on the Internet, which he checked weekly for US box office tallies, and it sounded like his kind of picture: severed limbs, bloody revenge, and a take-no-prisoners antihero.

His translator, Saad Al-Izzi, scoured Baghdad for a tape for five days. His boss wasn't the most patient of men (just ask the marathon runners Uday had beaten for lagging on the track). Uday's men finally found a copy, and Izzi's boss gave him an afternoon to translate, dub, and print ''Gladiator'' in Arabic.

Errors of haste were unavoidable: Ten seconds of a speech by Oliver Reed's gladiator-herdsman, rallying his posse before battle, were cut incorrectly, so the character's lips moved without making a noise.

Izzi thought he'd be thanked for his quick work. Instead, two of Uday's men came to his office the next day to beat him for the error.

Izzi's boss lied that he was out, promising to punish him later.

''OK,'' one of the men said, according to Izzi. ''Take off your shoes. We'll beat you just to be sure that you beat him.'' And they whacked the boss's feet with a sharp wooden reed until they were bloodied.

Perhaps Uday Hussein and his father were simply Patrick Bateman-like characters out of ''American Psycho,'' slaughtering for the swagger and sake of it. But if there's something to the theory that violent movies spawn violent behavior in their viewers, then Hollywood shoulders some blame for the legacy of bloodshed left by the Hussein men.

According to Izzi, they were fixated on American-made movies, directing their representative at the United Nations, Tariq Aziz, to bring back dozens of videos each time he left New York. And ''Pollyanna'' these were not: ''Silence of the Lambs,'' ''Casino,'' and ''Rob Roy'' for Saddam and ''From Dusk Till Dawn,'' ''The Mummy,'' and ''Bride of Chucky'' for Uday.

Wayne Orr · May 15th, 2003, 02:05 PM

What a mind picture; Saddam and Uday, sitting in the dark of their private screening room in the heart of Baghdad, viewing, "The Mummy." You couldn't write stuff this good. Who did they cheer for?

Does viewing affect behavior? You bet your sweet Madison Avenue it does.

Adrian Douglas · May 15th, 2003, 10:01 PM

Zac,

Back there in Australia I have a couple of FD L series lenses sitting at my mum's place with my old AE1 Program. They are awesome lenses, and yes you can pick them up quite cheap. For a budget setup they are a good deal.

April 26th, 2003, 09:44 AM	#91
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	I'll go see it because Henry Rollins is in it. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

April 26th, 2003, 02:17 PM	#92
Mark Argerake Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Murrieta, CA Posts: 227	Anybody gonna do this digital conf thing? http://www.ifp.org/calendar/eventitem.php?chapter=2&id=451 I don't want this to be a film vs. video thread. I'm curious so I'm going, and was wondering if anyone else is.

April 28th, 2003, 01:50 PM	#94
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	Santana Supernatural DVD I guess with all the focus on trying to make video look like film, there are times when shot on Video can be awesome. I've had the Santana Supernatural concert DVD for awhile now and it looks like it was shot with HD cameras (I don't know for sure). The level of detail, the color, the excellent sound. I actually like it better than the Eagles Hell Freezes Over DVD. If you are a Santana fan, or just want to see how good live concert/shot on video footage can be, buy or rent it. If you have a good home theater setup with 5.1 and DTS support, definitely choose the DTS audio option in setup. Also includes 4 music videos. The audio/video engineering on this DVD is great. The camera shots, the DTS option... all make for very compelling live concert footage. In this case, the 'film look' would have made it a lesser production. In addition to music from the CD he closes with oustanding versions of several of his classics. Any comments?

May 4th, 2003, 01:37 PM	#97
Matt Betea Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: detroit, mi Posts: 187	Blood thirsty Looks like the record industry is going to an all time new low: nytimes and wired I like how they're always trying to spin it off on internet downloading. Don't mention that in the past 3-4 years at least, all we've been fed is some regurgitated BS that the industry wants to call music. Also that other than Best Buy, you're going to be paying $16+ for a cd, please. Oh, almost forgot, the other industry crying about companies wanting to help consumers zdnet If they really cared, why wouldn't they, themselves implement something to allow someone to make 1 backup copy. And if they're so worried why not force everyone to view their movies only in theaters or encrypted PPV.

May 7th, 2003, 10:27 PM	#98
Greg Filipkowski New Boot Join Date: May 2003 Location: NY Posts: 20	Help Help See this trailer!!! how did they do 360 shots? there is one? http://www.caliboyzxtreme.com/video/teaser%20slq.mov __________________ You do it nice or you do it twice

April 26th, 2003, 06:11 PM	#93
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	If I could afford it, and it was close by, I would most definately go. I love learning different aspects in creating video and art.

April 30th, 2003, 12:37 AM	#95
Ivan Hedley Enger Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Vestfold in Norway Posts: 103	Hi Joe, In my opinion there are a lot of times when shot on Video can be awesome. Maybe I am a little bit weird, but I have never understood why it is so important to make video look like film. I think video filmed on a good camcorder makes great pictures. "But, it looks like video", someone says. Yes,.....and....? So what?! I personally like that look. I agree with you, Joe. Enjoy the digital video and sound. When it gives you such a great quality, I guess you doesn´t miss the filmlook at all? Ivan

May 1st, 2003, 06:14 PM	#96
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	Ivan, in this case, it was a better production because it kept the live shot on video look. The DVD is live concert footage, plus music videos and interviews in the extras. IMHO very well done. But I think you need a good HD camera to get that look (lots of detail, excellent colors....). DV25 cuuldn't make something look that good. Another good one to check out is The Eagles' "Hell Freezes Over". another live concert, with excellent audio and well shot video. Includes a bonus track if your system supports DTS. One to avoid is one made by/for Sting a year or so ago. Truly awful. And I've heard nothing but bad things about Kylie Monogues pre world tour DVD. There are also DVD which are simply collections of Music Video (eminem has a couple out). The best ones seem to go beyond just your standard live concert footage and take advantage of multiiple camera angles (lots of boom/crane shots). The Santana one even shot from behind everyone. Made for a video that was both intimate and energetic. The audio is good enough you could turn off your TV and just listen. One other great thing. No lipsynching, no voice compression or enhancement. None. The singers who sang the 2 top hits from the CD didn't sound near as good as the Studio engineers made them out to be, Yet because it was real, I end up liking these live vesions better the the CD versions.

May 8th, 2003, 05:47 AM	#99
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I'm not exactly sure what you are asking. But it looks like it was shot from another motorcycle or something... __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 8th, 2003, 07:22 AM	#100
Greg Filipkowski New Boot Join Date: May 2003 Location: NY Posts: 20	ok There is a 360 degree shot in there going all around up and down, some kind a fly cam? __________________ You do it nice or you do it twice

May 15th, 2003, 08:18 AM	#101
Zac Stein Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 730	quality of FD lenses I wasn't sure where to put still photography stuff, i have put it here before so i figured it would be ok here. I have the final designs down to my ghetto 35 adapter, and i planned on putting a canon FD mount on it, why you ask? Because FD lenes are cheap!, and i have seen fast lenses extremely cheap, like $60 AUD for a 135mm f 2.* (i forget). My question is, are these lenses crap? is that why they are cheap? or just old? Thanx for the help. Zac

May 15th, 2003, 12:44 PM	#102
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	I have a whole bag full of old FD lenses that i use with my old F-1. These lenses were as fine as they get, comparable to the Nikkor lenses from Nikon, in their day. They're still damn good! They just don't have the electronic link to the camera for exposure setting.

May 15th, 2003, 01:29 PM	#103
Keith Loh Air China Pilot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 2,389	Saddam and Uday go to the movies This is a great article about the translator for all the Hollywood bootlegs that would end up in Iraq, who had the unenviable task of packaging the stuff up for Saddam and his cronies. Saddam and Uday go to the movies By Patrick Healy, Globe Staff, 5/15/2003 AGHDAD -- For Uday Hussein, the cutthroat son of Saddam, high culture came to Iraq when Russell Crowe entered the arena, sword in hand, ready to kill. More in the Boston Globe: http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/13..._movies+.shtml Three days after ''Gladiator'' was released in the United States, Uday was ''going mad'' to find a bootleg copy of the swords-and-sandals epic, his chief movie translator recalled in an interview. Uday had followed the buzz about ''Gladiator'' on the Internet, which he checked weekly for US box office tallies, and it sounded like his kind of picture: severed limbs, bloody revenge, and a take-no-prisoners antihero. His translator, Saad Al-Izzi, scoured Baghdad for a tape for five days. His boss wasn't the most patient of men (just ask the marathon runners Uday had beaten for lagging on the track). Uday's men finally found a copy, and Izzi's boss gave him an afternoon to translate, dub, and print ''Gladiator'' in Arabic. Errors of haste were unavoidable: Ten seconds of a speech by Oliver Reed's gladiator-herdsman, rallying his posse before battle, were cut incorrectly, so the character's lips moved without making a noise. Izzi thought he'd be thanked for his quick work. Instead, two of Uday's men came to his office the next day to beat him for the error. Izzi's boss lied that he was out, promising to punish him later. ''OK,'' one of the men said, according to Izzi. ''Take off your shoes. We'll beat you just to be sure that you beat him.'' And they whacked the boss's feet with a sharp wooden reed until they were bloodied. Perhaps Uday Hussein and his father were simply Patrick Bateman-like characters out of ''American Psycho,'' slaughtering for the swagger and sake of it. But if there's something to the theory that violent movies spawn violent behavior in their viewers, then Hollywood shoulders some blame for the legacy of bloodshed left by the Hussein men. According to Izzi, they were fixated on American-made movies, directing their representative at the United Nations, Tariq Aziz, to bring back dozens of videos each time he left New York. And ''Pollyanna'' these were not: ''Silence of the Lambs,'' ''Casino,'' and ''Rob Roy'' for Saddam and ''From Dusk Till Dawn,'' ''The Mummy,'' and ''Bride of Chucky'' for Uday. __________________ -- Visit http://www.KeithLoh.com \| stuff about living in Vancouver \| My Flickr photo gallery

May 15th, 2003, 02:05 PM	#104
Wayne Orr Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Northridge Ca Posts: 734	What a mind picture; Saddam and Uday, sitting in the dark of their private screening room in the heart of Baghdad, viewing, "The Mummy." You couldn't write stuff this good. Who did they cheer for? Does viewing affect behavior? You bet your sweet Madison Avenue it does. __________________ Wayne If it was easy, they'd get a relative to do it.

May 15th, 2003, 10:01 PM	#105
Adrian Douglas Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Chigasaki, Japan. Posts: 1,660	Zac, Back there in Australia I have a couple of FD L series lenses sitting at my mum's place with my old AE1 Program. They are awesome lenses, and yes you can pick them up quite cheap. For a budget setup they are a good deal. __________________ Adrian DVInfo.net Search for quick answers Where to buy? From the best in the business...DVInfo.net sponsors