Original Apollo 11 tapes are missing at DVinfo.net

Boyd Ostroff · August 14th, 2006, 04:17 PM

http://www.honeysucklecreek.net.nyud...SSTV_Tapes.pdf

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In 1970, the tapes were placed in the US National Archives in Accession #69A4099. By 1984, all but two of the over 700 boxes of Apollo era magnetic tapes placed in the Accession, were removed and returned to the GSFC for permanent retention. These tapes are now missing.

Also some interesting info in this report about how the tapes were made, and how the quality of the images we're all familiar with was degraded by the scan conversion process.

Frank Granovski · August 14th, 2006, 05:11 PM

Check e-bay.

K. Forman · August 14th, 2006, 05:40 PM

You know... I can't believe I forgot to take those back. I bet I have some outrages late fees to pay.

Tim Goldman · August 14th, 2006, 06:22 PM

didn't space.com have an article today clearing this all up?

http://space.com/news/060813_apollo11_tapes.html

yeah, they said watch diamonds are forever, that explanes the whole thing

Boyd Ostroff · August 14th, 2006, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Goldman

didn't space.com have an article today clearing this all up?

Sure, that clears it all up...

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“We are confident that they are stored at [NASA’s] Goddard Space Flight Center [in Greenbelt, Maryland] … we just don’t know where precisely”

Sharyn Ferrick · August 15th, 2006, 12:07 AM

Everytime I read one of these stories, I keep seeing that final scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark;-)

SHARYN

Chris Hurd · August 15th, 2006, 06:31 AM

Interesting story, I noticed it made the national news this morning.

If they can't find those boxes, the loss is pretty significant, but in m my opinion only from a historical perspective because they still have three Apollo missions which provided good video. Only three, not five, because Apollo 12 and 14 don't really count for very much "good" video. Alan Bean inadvertantly fried the video camera at the start of the Apollo 12 lunar EVA (it was accidentally pointed at the sun for a quick second, which is all it took to destroy the sensor). Apollo 14's video was not much better than 11's. The only memorable thing that came out of it was Al Shephard's golf swing, and even that was pretty hazy. It wasn't until the final three Apollo missions that NASA was able to record some fairly decent color video from the surface of the moon. Now hopefully those boxes aren't missing too. Or... are they counting them as part of the 700 that they can't find?

Imagine what today's video enhancement technology can do to those Apollo 11 tapes. If anybody has seen "Magnificent Desolation" in 3D at the IMAX, it's a good indication of what's possible. I thought it looked just a tad too computer generated, but it gives you a pretty good idea. Consider how amazing the video will look in the near future, the next time we go to the moon.

Steven Davis · August 15th, 2006, 07:04 AM

I thought the moon landings were fake............. As described here http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm :}

Frank, I loved the ebay comment, but don't tell anyone, my 13.00 dollars is holding steady....

Chris Hurd · August 15th, 2006, 08:35 AM

My favorite story about these "fake moon landing" crackpots is the one from Sept.
2002, when a California judge no-billed Buzz Aldrin for slugging one of them.
See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2272321.stm

Steven Davis · August 15th, 2006, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

My favorite story about these "fake moon landing" crackpots is the one from Sept.
2002, when a California judge no-billed Buzz Aldrin for slugging one of them.
See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2272321.stm

Great Story, I missed that one coming by.

Pete Bauer · August 15th, 2006, 09:00 AM

Buzz is a true American Hero, and that Sibrel event only adds to Buzz' stature IMO. The 22d Fighter Squadron, Spangdahlem AB, Germany, flew him in an F-16 some years back and subsequently they proudly displayed in the squadron building a large photo of Buzz wearing a big SEG ("grin") and with his flight suit zipper opened wide to reveal a T-shirt that said, "Why, yes, I AM a rocket scientist." The Right Stuff all the way!

I hope they find those tapes, but I ain't holding my breath.

K. Forman · August 15th, 2006, 09:21 AM

What is it with these crackpot journalists? They make up stories, photoshop pictures, and attack people... when did the poparatzi start breeding with the tabloid reporters? Charleton Heston was deathly ill, and he was harrassed to no end by one of those lowlifes.

J. Stephen McDonald · August 16th, 2006, 07:09 AM

Perhaps these tapes were made to disappear, so that the improved means of recording analysis that are now available, couldn't be used to reveal the fabrications in their content.

Tim Goldman · August 16th, 2006, 07:24 AM

likei said , watch diamonds are forever, that'll explain it all.

Giroud Francois · August 16th, 2006, 12:53 PM

now you know what area51 was used for....
anyway a simple check would be easy.
the Apollo mission left a lot of equipment on the moon. A simple powerful telescope should be able to see it. Or should we just go there to check...

August 14th, 2006, 05:40 PM	#3
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August 14th, 2006, 06:22 PM	#4
Tim Goldman Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Marietta, GA Posts: 135	didn't space.com have an article today clearing this all up? http://space.com/news/060813_apollo11_tapes.html yeah, they said watch diamonds are forever, that explanes the whole thing __________________ Wish I had something witty to say

August 15th, 2006, 06:31 AM	#7
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Interesting story, I noticed it made the national news this morning. If they can't find those boxes, the loss is pretty significant, but in m my opinion only from a historical perspective because they still have three Apollo missions which provided good video. Only three, not five, because Apollo 12 and 14 don't really count for very much "good" video. Alan Bean inadvertantly fried the video camera at the start of the Apollo 12 lunar EVA (it was accidentally pointed at the sun for a quick second, which is all it took to destroy the sensor). Apollo 14's video was not much better than 11's. The only memorable thing that came out of it was Al Shephard's golf swing, and even that was pretty hazy. It wasn't until the final three Apollo missions that NASA was able to record some fairly decent color video from the surface of the moon. Now hopefully those boxes aren't missing too. Or... are they counting them as part of the 700 that they can't find? Imagine what today's video enhancement technology can do to those Apollo 11 tapes. If anybody has seen "Magnificent Desolation" in 3D at the IMAX, it's a good indication of what's possible. I thought it looked just a tad too computer generated, but it gives you a pretty good idea. Consider how amazing the video will look in the near future, the next time we go to the moon. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

August 15th, 2006, 07:04 AM	#8
Steven Davis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,065	I thought the moon landings were fake............. As described here http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm :} Frank, I loved the ebay comment, but don't tell anyone, my 13.00 dollars is holding steady.... __________________ What happens if I push the 'Red' button?

August 15th, 2006, 08:35 AM	#9
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	My favorite story about these "fake moon landing" crackpots is the one from Sept. 2002, when a California judge no-billed Buzz Aldrin for slugging one of them. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2272321.stm __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

August 14th, 2006, 05:11 PM	#2
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Check e-bay.

August 15th, 2006, 12:07 AM	#6
Sharyn Ferrick Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sitka Alaska Posts: 128	Everytime I read one of these stories, I keep seeing that final scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark;-) SHARYN

August 15th, 2006, 09:00 AM	#11
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	Buzz is a true American Hero, and that Sibrel event only adds to Buzz' stature IMO. The 22d Fighter Squadron, Spangdahlem AB, Germany, flew him in an F-16 some years back and subsequently they proudly displayed in the squadron building a large photo of Buzz wearing a big SEG ("grin") and with his flight suit zipper opened wide to reveal a T-shirt that said, "Why, yes, I AM a rocket scientist." The Right Stuff all the way! I hope they find those tapes, but I ain't holding my breath. __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

August 15th, 2006, 09:21 AM	#12
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	What is it with these crackpot journalists? They make up stories, photoshop pictures, and attack people... when did the poparatzi start breeding with the tabloid reporters? Charleton Heston was deathly ill, and he was harrassed to no end by one of those lowlifes. __________________ www.SmokeWagonLeather.us

August 16th, 2006, 07:09 AM	#13
J. Stephen McDonald Major Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Eugene, Oregon Posts: 909	Perhaps these tapes were made to disappear, so that the improved means of recording analysis that are now available, couldn't be used to reveal the fabrications in their content. __________________ Steve McDonald https://onedrive.com/?cid=229807ce52dd4fe0 http://www.flickr.com/photos/22121562@N00/ http://www.vimeo.com/user458315/videos Last edited by J. Stephen McDonald; August 16th, 2006 at 11:37 PM.

August 16th, 2006, 07:24 AM	#14
Tim Goldman Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Marietta, GA Posts: 135	likei said , watch diamonds are forever, that'll explain it all. __________________ Wish I had something witty to say

August 16th, 2006, 12:53 PM	#15
Giroud Francois Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: switzerland Posts: 2,133	now you know what area51 was used for.... anyway a simple check would be easy. the Apollo mission left a lot of equipment on the moon. A simple powerful telescope should be able to see it. Or should we just go there to check...