Revelation? Indiewood? at DVinfo.net

Christopher C. Murphy · July 30th, 2004, 01:17 PM

Hey all,

I just realized that I'll be shooting an HD movie and distributing an HD-DVD before most A-list Hollywood directors.

Think about it - HDV + recordable HD-DVD discs (using WM9 and Apple new codec next year) = HD-DVD before any Hollywood studio. They're releasing a handful of titles next year, but none of their good stuff like Star Wars.

So, in short it seems like independent filmmakers have a chance to give the public a better visual product before Hollywood. If we can keep our storytelling true...maybe we can change the whole system to Indiewood!

We should make a Indiewood movement - higher quality product and story than Hollywood. With all this great technology out there for filmming and even printing out our DVD discs....we should should kick Hollywood's ass.

Or maybe I should shut up and get back to my editing?

Murph

Richard Alvarez · July 30th, 2004, 01:51 PM

Sounds great. Are you willing to pay for quality actors and writers?

Charles Papert · July 31st, 2004, 11:27 AM

I think a far bigger factor in"quality filmmaking" than lines of resolution would be...quality filmmaking. Many indies fall short in the same ways that Hollywood features do: script and storytelling. Others fail because they cannot match the quality of acting and appropriate production values. However, there are those that succeed in all levels.

I'm all for indie production and distribution. The bottom line is that REALLY good indie films tend to get picked up and if they make money, then they effectively become "Hollywood" by definition (major distribution). I would think that filmmakers should follow their own muse (as you are, Christopher), make the best films they can, promote the hell out of them, and not concern themselves with trying to start a revolution. Remember what the last indie wave created--the studios just adapted by forming indie wings under their corporate umbrella. Hollywood won't let its ass get kicked; it will adopt, incorporate and absorb.

One film at a time...

Rob Lohman · August 3rd, 2004, 10:20 AM

I thought the Borg did that....

Richard Alvarez · August 3rd, 2004, 11:08 AM

Hollyborg...

Charles Papert · August 3rd, 2004, 11:08 AM

....well, it worked for them/him/her/us!

p.s. I worked with Alice Krige, the "Borg Queen" a few months back. Nice lady.

Christopher C. Murphy · August 3rd, 2004, 11:26 AM

Thanks for replying everyone. I think that I was just excited when I had the thought pop into my head...it's just cool that we can make movies now that aren't all fuzzy and home video like in appearance.

Of course, story comes first...always.

Murph

John Hudson · August 4th, 2004, 11:17 AM

I agree (as always) Chris! Im 34 now and Finally am in a position to make some serious quality films on an extremley limited budget. The future's so bright...

And Richard, you'll be surprised at what kind of quality actors and writers you can find! Check Open Water! They were hired deferred.

Christopher C. Murphy · August 4th, 2004, 11:25 AM

Hey John, we do seem to agree a lot. If I was in San Diego or you in Boston...we could do a project together. :)

I do get out to LA often though - at least once a year or more! When I lived there I always wanted to visit San Diego, but you know how it goes when you live somewhere! You wait and wait..

Murph

John Hudson · August 4th, 2004, 12:05 PM

Yeah I think we have been agreeing for like a year! LOL

Funny, Ive always wanted to visit Boston! (Check out my Irish brethren). Who kows, in 5 years we'll both be in Hollywood. (Im kidding; I have n odesire to live in L.A.; San Diego is paradise)

Have you seen Pieces of April? Technically it is horrible but it shows what a great film that can be made in the DV realm.

Richard Alvarez · August 4th, 2004, 12:11 PM

John,

I know full well the quality of actors that can be found to work low-pay deferred. We were EXTREMELY lucky when we were shooting "After Twilight" here in Houston. But then, we were shooting in 35mm and a lot of actors jumped at the chance to work on a large format shoot, with a professional crew instead of "Constantly being asked to work for free by everybody with a DV camcorder..." (Their comments not mine) I think the more credible your own credentials, the more likely you are to get a commitment from professionals in all aspects of the medium.

Check out www.nu-classicfilms.com to see the trailer

Christopher C. Murphy · August 4th, 2004, 12:15 PM

John, haven't seen Pieces of April yet. But, it's in my list on NetFlix!

Murph

John Hudson · August 4th, 2004, 02:06 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Richard Alvarez : John,

I know full well the quality of actors that can be found to work low-pay deferred. We were EXTREMELY lucky when we were shooting "After Twilight" here in Houston. But then, we were shooting in 35mm and a lot of actors jumped at the chance to work on a large format shoot, with a professional crew instead of "Constantly being asked to work for free by everybody with a DV camcorder..." (Their comments not mine) I think the more credible your own credentials, the more likely you are to get a commitment from professionals in all aspects of the medium.

Check out www.nu-classicfilms.com to see the trailer -->>>

Im digging it. Thats the excitement of DV and HD technology. It's getting to the point where a DV camcorder in the right hands will do the trick. We're not grabbing the family camcorder anymore but the affordability (more or less and give or take) is almost the same.

Joe Carney · August 4th, 2004, 02:33 PM

>>Think about it - HDV + recordable HD-DVD discs (using WM9 and Apple new codec next year) = HD-DVD before any Hollywood studio. They're releasing a handful of titles next year, but none of their good stuff like Star Wars.<<

There are several features out in WMV HD format. Terminator 2 being one of them. Plus I have the WMV HD disc for 'Step Into Liquid', it came with the DVD.

But support in set top DVDs is only now starting to show up.

July 30th, 2004, 01:17 PM	#1
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	Revelation? Indiewood? Hey all, I just realized that I'll be shooting an HD movie and distributing an HD-DVD before most A-list Hollywood directors. Think about it - HDV + recordable HD-DVD discs (using WM9 and Apple new codec next year) = HD-DVD before any Hollywood studio. They're releasing a handful of titles next year, but none of their good stuff like Star Wars. So, in short it seems like independent filmmakers have a chance to give the public a better visual product before Hollywood. If we can keep our storytelling true...maybe we can change the whole system to Indiewood! We should make a Indiewood movement - higher quality product and story than Hollywood. With all this great technology out there for filmming and even printing out our DVD discs....we should should kick Hollywood's ass. Or maybe I should shut up and get back to my editing? Murph __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

July 31st, 2004, 11:27 AM	#3
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	I think a far bigger factor in"quality filmmaking" than lines of resolution would be...quality filmmaking. Many indies fall short in the same ways that Hollywood features do: script and storytelling. Others fail because they cannot match the quality of acting and appropriate production values. However, there are those that succeed in all levels. I'm all for indie production and distribution. The bottom line is that REALLY good indie films tend to get picked up and if they make money, then they effectively become "Hollywood" by definition (major distribution). I would think that filmmakers should follow their own muse (as you are, Christopher), make the best films they can, promote the hell out of them, and not concern themselves with trying to start a revolution. Remember what the last indie wave created--the studios just adapted by forming indie wings under their corporate umbrella. Hollywood won't let its ass get kicked; it will adopt, incorporate and absorb. One film at a time... __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

August 3rd, 2004, 10:20 AM	#4
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August 3rd, 2004, 11:08 AM	#6
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	....well, it worked for them/him/her/us! p.s. I worked with Alice Krige, the "Borg Queen" a few months back. Nice lady. __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

August 3rd, 2004, 11:26 AM	#7
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	Thanks for replying everyone. I think that I was just excited when I had the thought pop into my head...it's just cool that we can make movies now that aren't all fuzzy and home video like in appearance. Of course, story comes first...always. Murph __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

July 30th, 2004, 01:51 PM	#2
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	Sounds great. Are you willing to pay for quality actors and writers?

August 4th, 2004, 11:17 AM	#8
John Hudson Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: 32° 44' N 117° 10' W Posts: 820	I agree (as always) Chris! Im 34 now and Finally am in a position to make some serious quality films on an extremley limited budget. The future's so bright... And Richard, you'll be surprised at what kind of quality actors and writers you can find! Check Open Water! They were hired deferred.

August 4th, 2004, 11:25 AM	#9
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	Hey John, we do seem to agree a lot. If I was in San Diego or you in Boston...we could do a project together. :) I do get out to LA often though - at least once a year or more! When I lived there I always wanted to visit San Diego, but you know how it goes when you live somewhere! You wait and wait.. Murph __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

August 4th, 2004, 12:05 PM	#10
John Hudson Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: 32° 44' N 117° 10' W Posts: 820	Yeah I think we have been agreeing for like a year! LOL Funny, Ive always wanted to visit Boston! (Check out my Irish brethren). Who kows, in 5 years we'll both be in Hollywood. (Im kidding; I have n odesire to live in L.A.; San Diego is paradise) Have you seen Pieces of April? Technically it is horrible but it shows what a great film that can be made in the DV realm.

August 4th, 2004, 12:11 PM	#11
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	John, I know full well the quality of actors that can be found to work low-pay deferred. We were EXTREMELY lucky when we were shooting "After Twilight" here in Houston. But then, we were shooting in 35mm and a lot of actors jumped at the chance to work on a large format shoot, with a professional crew instead of "Constantly being asked to work for free by everybody with a DV camcorder..." (Their comments not mine) I think the more credible your own credentials, the more likely you are to get a commitment from professionals in all aspects of the medium. Check out www.nu-classicfilms.com to see the trailer

August 4th, 2004, 12:15 PM	#12
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	John, haven't seen Pieces of April yet. But, it's in my list on NetFlix! Murph __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

August 4th, 2004, 02:06 PM	#13
John Hudson Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: 32° 44' N 117° 10' W Posts: 820	<<<-- Originally posted by Richard Alvarez : John, I know full well the quality of actors that can be found to work low-pay deferred. We were EXTREMELY lucky when we were shooting "After Twilight" here in Houston. But then, we were shooting in 35mm and a lot of actors jumped at the chance to work on a large format shoot, with a professional crew instead of "Constantly being asked to work for free by everybody with a DV camcorder..." (Their comments not mine) I think the more credible your own credentials, the more likely you are to get a commitment from professionals in all aspects of the medium. Check out www.nu-classicfilms.com to see the trailer -->>> Im digging it. Thats the excitement of DV and HD technology. It's getting to the point where a DV camcorder in the right hands will do the trick. We're not grabbing the family camcorder anymore but the affordability (more or less and give or take) is almost the same.

August 4th, 2004, 02:33 PM	#14
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	>>Think about it - HDV + recordable HD-DVD discs (using WM9 and Apple new codec next year) = HD-DVD before any Hollywood studio. They're releasing a handful of titles next year, but none of their good stuff like Star Wars.<< There are several features out in WMV HD format. Terminator 2 being one of them. Plus I have the WMV HD disc for 'Step Into Liquid', it came with the DVD. But support in set top DVDs is only now starting to show up.