The companies are now the kings at DVinfo.net

Adrian Douglas · March 16th, 2004, 08:11 AM

Jello Biafra was on when he said the companies are taking over. This law just passed in Europe is the beginning of the end.

Rob Lohman · March 17th, 2004, 04:24 AM

It's a very scary law indeed. We'll have to wait and see what
happens. I'm not certain how this will work in the real world, but
we'll probably not have to wait long to find out here. It's all a
bit fuzzy. Thankfully it isn't targeted at "consumer" piracy. But
where is the line? (thankfully in this regard because otherwise
they could just bust down any door they'd like basically)

I keep wondering why the entertainment sector (movies &
music) is the only one that seems to be able to get strange laws
in place to protect its property.

Adrian Douglas · March 17th, 2004, 07:55 AM

The thing that was the scariest is that this is the companies that can raid your house not the police and also on simple suspicion of piracy. You can just see it coming down to random checks under the vail of suspicion. At least the cops have people watching them but in the corporate world everyone has their price. Man, it's the beginning of the end when companies have this kind of power.

Rob Lohman · March 17th, 2004, 08:26 AM

I doubt it will go that easy. I haven't read the actual law, but I
wouldn't be surprised if a third party (like the police) still needs
to physically open the house and be present. I think the law
states that certain companies can now start such a procedure
without getting a warrant etc.

Adrian Douglas · March 17th, 2004, 08:35 AM

Floods start with just one drop. I'm really surprised that this happened in Europe before the US though.

Rob Lohman · March 17th, 2004, 08:50 AM

Then you can imagine how surprised we Europeans are. This
is totally unexpected. We always "liked" the fact that here in
Europe we weren't too keen on DCMA practics, but now this
seems to go in the same direction or even beyond indeed. I'm
anxious to see what will happen.

Keith Loh · March 17th, 2004, 11:06 AM

I think this also means that those companies can digitally hack into your servers and your computer to see if you have copyrighted material.

Dylan Couper · March 17th, 2004, 09:00 PM

Good. Freedom sucks. Give me a good old fashioned police state any day.

Rick Bravo · March 17th, 2004, 11:54 PM

Dylan,

I AM assuming that you are smiling as you type this!

RB

Dylan Couper · March 18th, 2004, 09:22 AM

Rick, I'm typing up my application for the MiniTruth as I write this.
Man, I can't wait to get one of those bad assed two way TVs so I can watch the workers and catch them having independend thoughts then send a death squad over... Yeah.. That and some soma, and you've got a party!

Marco Leavitt · March 18th, 2004, 11:57 AM

I'm pretty sure that music companies have theoretically been empowered for years to raid your house and seize your computer in this country. I've seen numorous articles about it anyway. I don't know that they've ever actually done it though, for obvious reasons. It would be a PR disaster. They get more, better press with all those tiny lawsuits.

Aaron Rosen · March 18th, 2004, 12:02 PM

Here come the Company Police.

New PD units with company logos and company colored light bars. If it's the musice PD then their sirens will be the latest songs... great.

I guess it's one way to cut down on the budget. Outsource the PD.

I don't know about ya'll but I like it the way it is. Get a search warrent and do it the right way.

Keith Loh · March 18th, 2004, 12:35 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Marco Leavitt : I'm pretty sure that music companies have theoretically been empowered for years to raid your house and seize your computer in this country. I've seen numorous articles about it anyway. I don't know that they've ever actually done it though, for obvious reasons. It would be a PR disaster. They get more, better press with all those tiny lawsuits. -->>>

Marco, there was an article last month on how the RIAA has hired ex-cops and other former law enforcement personnel and raid sidewalk vendors who often sell pirated tapes and music. These guys are all dressed like cops with bulletproof vests and swoop in on these guys. Often the vendors' English isn't so good so they are overwhelmed when the pseudo-cops come in and pick up everything, even legit merchandise. The vendors are made to sign a release which gives all of their stuff to the RIAA.

Rob Lohman · March 19th, 2004, 05:04 AM

That's a sad sad story Keith! Reminds me of a Star Trek TNG
episode: "who watches the watchers"

Rob Belics · March 19th, 2004, 07:29 AM

Where was this article? Impersonating an officer is illegal in the US.

Only a police officer can invade homes but only with a warrant from a judge except, of course, when an illegal activity is observed or if they've been invited or allowed in. And then, I think, it must be related to the safety of the citizens not a civil case.

Notice BBC article applied to the EU. In the US it says lawsuits have been filed but not home invasion which is constitutionally illegal.

March 16th, 2004, 08:11 AM	#1
Adrian Douglas Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Chigasaki, Japan. Posts: 1,660	The companies are now the kings Jello Biafra was on when he said the companies are taking over. This law just passed in Europe is the beginning of the end. __________________ Adrian DVInfo.net Search for quick answers Where to buy? From the best in the business...DVInfo.net sponsors

March 17th, 2004, 04:24 AM	#2
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	It's a very scary law indeed. We'll have to wait and see what happens. I'm not certain how this will work in the real world, but we'll probably not have to wait long to find out here. It's all a bit fuzzy. Thankfully it isn't targeted at "consumer" piracy. But where is the line? (thankfully in this regard because otherwise they could just bust down any door they'd like basically) I keep wondering why the entertainment sector (movies & music) is the only one that seems to be able to get strange laws in place to protect its property. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

March 17th, 2004, 07:55 AM	#3
Adrian Douglas Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Chigasaki, Japan. Posts: 1,660	The thing that was the scariest is that this is the companies that can raid your house not the police and also on simple suspicion of piracy. You can just see it coming down to random checks under the vail of suspicion. At least the cops have people watching them but in the corporate world everyone has their price. Man, it's the beginning of the end when companies have this kind of power. __________________ Adrian DVInfo.net Search for quick answers Where to buy? From the best in the business...DVInfo.net sponsors

March 17th, 2004, 08:26 AM	#4
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I doubt it will go that easy. I haven't read the actual law, but I wouldn't be surprised if a third party (like the police) still needs to physically open the house and be present. I think the law states that certain companies can now start such a procedure without getting a warrant etc. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

March 17th, 2004, 08:35 AM	#5
Adrian Douglas Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Chigasaki, Japan. Posts: 1,660	Floods start with just one drop. I'm really surprised that this happened in Europe before the US though. __________________ Adrian DVInfo.net Search for quick answers Where to buy? From the best in the business...DVInfo.net sponsors

March 17th, 2004, 08:50 AM	#6
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Then you can imagine how surprised we Europeans are. This is totally unexpected. We always "liked" the fact that here in Europe we weren't too keen on DCMA practics, but now this seems to go in the same direction or even beyond indeed. I'm anxious to see what will happen. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

March 17th, 2004, 11:06 AM	#7
Keith Loh Air China Pilot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 2,389	I think this also means that those companies can digitally hack into your servers and your computer to see if you have copyrighted material. __________________ -- Visit http://www.KeithLoh.com \| stuff about living in Vancouver \| My Flickr photo gallery

March 17th, 2004, 09:00 PM	#8
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Good. Freedom sucks. Give me a good old fashioned police state any day. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

March 17th, 2004, 11:54 PM	#9
Rick Bravo Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 574	Dylan, I AM assuming that you are smiling as you type this! RB __________________ "The future ain't what it used to be." Yogi Berra. www.rbravo.com

March 18th, 2004, 09:22 AM	#10
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Rick, I'm typing up my application for the MiniTruth as I write this. Man, I can't wait to get one of those bad assed two way TVs so I can watch the workers and catch them having independend thoughts then send a death squad over... Yeah.. That and some soma, and you've got a party! __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

March 18th, 2004, 11:57 AM	#11
Marco Leavitt Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Albany, NY 12210 Posts: 2,652	I'm pretty sure that music companies have theoretically been empowered for years to raid your house and seize your computer in this country. I've seen numorous articles about it anyway. I don't know that they've ever actually done it though, for obvious reasons. It would be a PR disaster. They get more, better press with all those tiny lawsuits.

March 18th, 2004, 12:02 PM	#12
Aaron Rosen Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: HB, CA - USA Posts: 298	Here come the Company Police. New PD units with company logos and company colored light bars. If it's the musice PD then their sirens will be the latest songs... great. I guess it's one way to cut down on the budget. Outsource the PD. I don't know about ya'll but I like it the way it is. Get a search warrent and do it the right way.

March 18th, 2004, 12:35 PM	#13
Keith Loh Air China Pilot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 2,389	<<<-- Originally posted by Marco Leavitt : I'm pretty sure that music companies have theoretically been empowered for years to raid your house and seize your computer in this country. I've seen numorous articles about it anyway. I don't know that they've ever actually done it though, for obvious reasons. It would be a PR disaster. They get more, better press with all those tiny lawsuits. -->>> Marco, there was an article last month on how the RIAA has hired ex-cops and other former law enforcement personnel and raid sidewalk vendors who often sell pirated tapes and music. These guys are all dressed like cops with bulletproof vests and swoop in on these guys. Often the vendors' English isn't so good so they are overwhelmed when the pseudo-cops come in and pick up everything, even legit merchandise. The vendors are made to sign a release which gives all of their stuff to the RIAA. __________________ -- Visit http://www.KeithLoh.com \| stuff about living in Vancouver \| My Flickr photo gallery

March 19th, 2004, 05:04 AM	#14
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	That's a sad sad story Keith! Reminds me of a Star Trek TNG episode: "who watches the watchers" __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

March 19th, 2004, 07:29 AM	#15
Rob Belics Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 581	Where was this article? Impersonating an officer is illegal in the US. Only a police officer can invade homes but only with a warrant from a judge except, of course, when an illegal activity is observed or if they've been invited or allowed in. And then, I think, it must be related to the safety of the citizens not a civil case. Notice BBC article applied to the EU. In the US it says lawsuits have been filed but not home invasion which is constitutionally illegal.