What's wrong? I'll tell you what's wrong!

J. Clayton Stansberry · October 23rd, 2003, 03:03 PM

Let's take it one step further, Will. Make it a seat in a vehicle with the computer on board, camera out front, eliminating the steady things; have robotic arms that "hold" the camera and could get any type/length/height of shot; and, of course, surround sound, CD player, Microwave, TV, comfortable seating and women would be provided with the "DVehicle." Damn, that's not a bad idea at all...i'll get right on that!

Alex Taylor · October 23rd, 2003, 05:16 PM

This DVehicle sounds pretty sweet so far!! And of course, make it small enough to use indoors.

Nick Kerpchar · October 23rd, 2003, 06:32 PM

The ideal cam needs to be like a piece of military equipment in that there is the basic module and then you can add to it to your specific needs. For instance, it would come with a basic EVF and lens, but ..... and this is the beauty, you can upgrade the EVF to a B&W with all the bells and whistles. You could add all types of lens (O.K., al la XL-1s), you can add external mics (al la DVX-100), and you can add a shoulder stock (al la AK-47, er ah or something like that).

If you want to keep it basic, you can. But if you want to make upgrades then that would be possible too. Oh yes, and the basic model needs 1/2" chips.

It's possible.

Nick

Will Fastie · October 24th, 2003, 06:38 AM

Aw, c'mon guys, this thread is getting completely ridiculous. It's one thing to ask for a few minor cam add-ons like cup holders and seats, but this DVehicle concept is just a complete fantasy. And armor? There's no place for this sort of junk in a professional forum.

Let's try to get this back on a more realistic plane.

Plane. Hmmm......

Will

J. Clayton Stansberry · October 24th, 2003, 10:43 AM

Will,

See forum topic: And Now, For Something Completely Different... > The TOTEM Poll: Totally Off Topic, Everything Media.

I think the "completely ridiculous" fits fine in "Totally Off Topic." We are still talking media, albeit a bit creative, it's still media. Why squash a dreamer? And, why not explore your creative side...go with this plane concept, go with it man.

...you know what they say, "One man's 'junk' is another man's treasure!!!"

Michael Wisniewski · October 24th, 2003, 06:27 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Will Fastie : Aw, c'mon guys, this thread is getting completely ridiculous ... this DVehicle concept is just a complete fantasy. And armor? -->>>

Oh just you wait Fastie, one day we'll all be riding around in our SUV camcorders! And then, and then ... you'll ... you'll ... well, I guess you really won't care :-p

... And somehow, in some weird strange way, this thread is still on topic ...

Frank Granovski · October 24th, 2003, 06:58 PM

For me the six most useful features would be:

1) Really really Low light
2) See through :):)
3) 100X optical zoom
4) Atomic batteries
5) Automatic lock and zoom for cheeks
6) Ability to record ghosts

This is my short list, with 1 new request (#5).

Bob Zimmerman · October 25th, 2003, 07:22 AM

Frank in your dream that your falling off a cliff are you by any chance holding on to a broken video camera? That would give the dream some real meaning!

Don Berube · October 25th, 2003, 07:53 AM

Awwww geeeez Frank, there is one technology that you neglected to mention which I cannot understand why it has not yet been implemented on all cameras. The Doze-Alert http://www.doze-alert.com. Now, that would certainly help me to cut down on my RedBull intake!

Give the people what they want I say!

- don

Will Fastie · October 25th, 2003, 08:07 AM

I take it back. For Frank to be safe when operating his "Peeping Tom DV100x" cam in "NoLight" mode, he will need the protection of armor plus the speed of the DVehicle in order to make his escape.

Will

Frank Granovski · October 25th, 2003, 01:47 PM

Bob, I'm not hanging on to any cam---I thought everyone had this dream. It's a very common dream it seems, from what I've read.

Regarding "spy videos," this is big business. People are always faking injury, cheating on their other 1/2, etc.

Don, now that's some useful device! (for driving)

Federico Dib · October 26th, 2003, 07:48 PM

I don´t want all those hi-tech impossible stuff you want.
I will settle for a Cam that you can rub three times and some Guy or Girl will come out of some purple smoke and then call me "master" and grant me wishes.

Make that just a Girl.

Dylan Couper · October 27th, 2003, 12:19 AM

How about a camera with a "Magic 35mm Film Look" button, or a one that digitaly reproduces a 5 man lighting/grip team in camera.

Matt Gettemeier · October 31st, 2003, 06:14 PM

One man's junk is another man's chinese fishing boat.

Hey just to squash one little piece of phony nastalgia... that whole Sony "see-thru" thing is GROSSLY over-represented... it never worked like those pictures you see on the net... the whole concept is actually quite simple and you can pretty easily get a BETTER "see-thru" camera for a lot less then any Sony with nightshot FROM ANY YEAR... the fact is that it just doesn't work like the pics... I KNOW... I tried it... many times... er, no not really, uh... I mean a FRIEND kept trying it over and over again... A ccd is more sensitive to IR energy then the human eye... way more... anyway, the nightshot mode engaged an internal IR filter and lowered the shutter... old models allowed manual shutter/iris control but new ones don't... anyway, the idea behind "see-thru" is that infrared energy passes thru "shear" material... so if a sun-tanning beauty is laying out and then jumps into a pool for a second... the temperature difference between the hydrated swimsuit and warm nip... er skin... makes the definition of the object come out... hereby appearing to be see-thru whereas the cam is just picking up the difference in infrared radiation... lesson over. And trust me, even this rarely works... depends on EXACT condtions... If you spent as much time trying to GET the girls you were trying to film you'd have more success seeing what's on the other side of that clothing... as far as "see-thru"... don't believe the hype. It's a bunch of guys clinging to a once-in-a-while fluke.

Hey so how's that dv plane coming?

Bernard Diaz · November 19th, 2003, 11:28 PM

I can't believe that in this day and age, no one has mentioned the need for the following basic features:

1. Front and side impact airbags in case the tripod tips over.
2. 300 meter water resistant capability with built in oxygen tank for underwater shooting.
3. Sunglasses capable of wirelessly receiving video signals eliminating the need for view finders and field monitors.
4. An onboard adjustable directional/omni directional microphone capable of isolating someone’s whisper in a major sporting event.

We should boycott all manufactures until these simple and basic demands are met. No compromises.

PS.
Frank, your camera can see ghosts, you just need the optional goggles in order to preview them.
I too believe that this should come standard with the every camera purchase.
Despair not. You too can be a proud owner of these magic goggles. If you or any of you fine ladies and gentlemen are interested, I sell these for $24.95 shipping included. Great deal!
Act now as these won't last.
Check out my current post of the private classified forum.
You won't be able to get these at EBay.

October 23rd, 2003, 03:03 PM	#16
J. Clayton Stansberry Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 316	Let's take it one step further, Will. Make it a seat in a vehicle with the computer on board, camera out front, eliminating the steady things; have robotic arms that "hold" the camera and could get any type/length/height of shot; and, of course, surround sound, CD player, Microwave, TV, comfortable seating and women would be provided with the "DVehicle." Damn, that's not a bad idea at all...i'll get right on that! __________________ I understand everything about nothing.

October 23rd, 2003, 05:16 PM	#17
Alex Taylor Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 390	This DVehicle sounds pretty sweet so far!! And of course, make it small enough to use indoors. __________________ alextaylor.org

October 24th, 2003, 10:43 AM	#20
J. Clayton Stansberry Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 316	?????? Will, See forum topic: And Now, For Something Completely Different... > The TOTEM Poll: Totally Off Topic, Everything Media. I think the "completely ridiculous" fits fine in "Totally Off Topic." We are still talking media, albeit a bit creative, it's still media. Why squash a dreamer? And, why not explore your creative side...go with this plane concept, go with it man. ...you know what they say, "One man's 'junk' is another man's treasure!!!" __________________ I understand everything about nothing.

October 24th, 2003, 06:27 PM	#21
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	<<<-- Originally posted by Will Fastie : Aw, c'mon guys, this thread is getting completely ridiculous ... this DVehicle concept is just a complete fantasy. And armor? -->>> Oh just you wait Fastie, one day we'll all be riding around in our SUV camcorders! And then, and then ... you'll ... you'll ... well, I guess you really won't care :-p ... And somehow, in some weird strange way, this thread is still on topic ... __________________ "Ultimately, the most extraordinary thing, in a frame, is a human being." - Martin Scorsese

October 25th, 2003, 07:53 AM	#24
Don Berube Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Boston, MA (travel frequently) Posts: 837	Awwww geeeez Frank, there is one technology that you neglected to mention which I cannot understand why it has not yet been implemented on all cameras. The Doze-Alert http://www.doze-alert.com. Now, that would certainly help me to cut down on my RedBull intake! Give the people what they want I say! - don __________________ DONALD BERUBE - noisybrain. Productions, LLC Director Of Photography/ Producer/ Consultant http://noisybrain.com/donbio.html CREATE and NETWORK with http://www.bosfcpug.org and also http://fcpugnetwork.org

October 23rd, 2003, 06:32 PM	#18
Nick Kerpchar Major Player Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 211	The ideal cam needs to be like a piece of military equipment in that there is the basic module and then you can add to it to your specific needs. For instance, it would come with a basic EVF and lens, but ..... and this is the beauty, you can upgrade the EVF to a B&W with all the bells and whistles. You could add all types of lens (O.K., al la XL-1s), you can add external mics (al la DVX-100), and you can add a shoulder stock (al la AK-47, er ah or something like that). If you want to keep it basic, you can. But if you want to make upgrades then that would be possible too. Oh yes, and the basic model needs 1/2" chips. It's possible. Nick

October 24th, 2003, 06:38 AM	#19
Will Fastie Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Jarrettsville, MD Posts: 353	Aw, c'mon guys, this thread is getting completely ridiculous. It's one thing to ask for a few minor cam add-ons like cup holders and seats, but this DVehicle concept is just a complete fantasy. And armor? There's no place for this sort of junk in a professional forum. Let's try to get this back on a more realistic plane. Plane. Hmmm...... Will

October 24th, 2003, 06:58 PM	#22
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	For me the six most useful features would be: 1) Really really Low light 2) See through :):) 3) 100X optical zoom 4) Atomic batteries 5) Automatic lock and zoom for cheeks 6) Ability to record ghosts This is my short list, with 1 new request (#5).

October 25th, 2003, 07:22 AM	#23
Bob Zimmerman Major Player Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Illinois Posts: 888	Frank in your dream that your falling off a cliff are you by any chance holding on to a broken video camera? That would give the dream some real meaning!

October 25th, 2003, 08:07 AM	#25
Will Fastie Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Jarrettsville, MD Posts: 353	I take it back. For Frank to be safe when operating his "Peeping Tom DV100x" cam in "NoLight" mode, he will need the protection of armor plus the speed of the DVehicle in order to make his escape. Will

October 25th, 2003, 01:47 PM	#26
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Bob, I'm not hanging on to any cam---I thought everyone had this dream. It's a very common dream it seems, from what I've read. Regarding "spy videos," this is big business. People are always faking injury, cheating on their other 1/2, etc. Don, now that's some useful device! (for driving)

October 26th, 2003, 07:48 PM	#27
Federico Dib Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Barcelona Posts: 312	I don´t want all those hi-tech impossible stuff you want. I will settle for a Cam that you can rub three times and some Guy or Girl will come out of some purple smoke and then call me "master" and grant me wishes. Make that just a Girl. __________________ Messenger Boy : The Thessalonian you're fighting, he's the biggest man I've ever seen. I wouldn't want to fight him. Achilles : That is why no one will remember your name.

October 27th, 2003, 12:19 AM	#28
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	How about a camera with a "Magic 35mm Film Look" button, or a one that digitaly reproduces a 5 man lighting/grip team in camera. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

October 31st, 2003, 06:14 PM	#29
Matt Gettemeier Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: St. Louis, Missouri Posts: 936	One man's junk is another man's chinese fishing boat. Hey just to squash one little piece of phony nastalgia... that whole Sony "see-thru" thing is GROSSLY over-represented... it never worked like those pictures you see on the net... the whole concept is actually quite simple and you can pretty easily get a BETTER "see-thru" camera for a lot less then any Sony with nightshot FROM ANY YEAR... the fact is that it just doesn't work like the pics... I KNOW... I tried it... many times... er, no not really, uh... I mean a FRIEND kept trying it over and over again... A ccd is more sensitive to IR energy then the human eye... way more... anyway, the nightshot mode engaged an internal IR filter and lowered the shutter... old models allowed manual shutter/iris control but new ones don't... anyway, the idea behind "see-thru" is that infrared energy passes thru "shear" material... so if a sun-tanning beauty is laying out and then jumps into a pool for a second... the temperature difference between the hydrated swimsuit and warm nip... er skin... makes the definition of the object come out... hereby appearing to be see-thru whereas the cam is just picking up the difference in infrared radiation... lesson over. And trust me, even this rarely works... depends on EXACT condtions... If you spent as much time trying to GET the girls you were trying to film you'd have more success seeing what's on the other side of that clothing... as far as "see-thru"... don't believe the hype. It's a bunch of guys clinging to a once-in-a-while fluke. Hey so how's that dv plane coming?

November 19th, 2003, 11:28 PM	#30
Bernard Diaz Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 151	I can't believe that in this day and age, no one has mentioned the need for the following basic features: 1. Front and side impact airbags in case the tripod tips over. 2. 300 meter water resistant capability with built in oxygen tank for underwater shooting. 3. Sunglasses capable of wirelessly receiving video signals eliminating the need for view finders and field monitors. 4. An onboard adjustable directional/omni directional microphone capable of isolating someone’s whisper in a major sporting event. We should boycott all manufactures until these simple and basic demands are met. No compromises. PS. Frank, your camera can see ghosts, you just need the optional goggles in order to preview them. I too believe that this should come standard with the every camera purchase. Despair not. You too can be a proud owner of these magic goggles. If you or any of you fine ladies and gentlemen are interested, I sell these for $24.95 shipping included. Great deal! Act now as these won't last. Check out my current post of the private classified forum. You won't be able to get these at EBay.