Bye-bye Windows XP at DVinfo.net

Boyd Ostroff · June 30th, 2008, 04:03 PM

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REDMOND, Wash. (AP) -- Microsoft Corp. is scheduled to stop selling its Windows XP operating system to retailers and major computer makers Monday, despite protests from a slice of PC users who don't want to be forced into using XP's successor, Vista.

Once computers loaded with XP have been cleared from the inventory of PC makers such as Dell Inc. and Hewlett-Packard Co., consumers who can't live without the old operating system on their new machine will have to buy Vista Ultimate or Vista Business and then legally "downgrade" to XP.

Dennis Stevens · July 1st, 2008, 07:52 AM

Sort of related to this news...

I'm struggling with my new Vista Home Premium pc. Sort of an emergency purchase after my regular xp machine died. I've heard a lot of people say just install xp over it.

I have a day job in the software field, though I don't deal with the intricacies of the operating systems. But I feel like doing that will bring about its own number of headaches and problems I'll have to troubleshoot.

Sure, I'd figure them out, but I think I'll figure out problems and workarounds for Vista, plus various software manufacturers whose products I use (Red Giant, Adobe, Cineform, etc) will be working to smooth any bugs they are having with Vista. Plus, Microsoft is releasing their service packs, patches, etc.

So, I'd rather deal with Vista for now.

What y'all think?

Kevin Shaw · July 1st, 2008, 08:20 AM

I think it's time to stock up on Windows XP installation discs, but if you can get everything to work with Vista that's okay too. Good luck...

Harm Millaard · July 1st, 2008, 09:15 AM

The one positive thing about this is that Intel has decided to skip Vista altogether for all of its 80.000+ PC's.

Richard Alvarez · July 1st, 2008, 09:35 AM

XP will still be supported with security updates. And it will be 'available' for years and years to come. (Ebay) Plenty of time for VISTA to sort out and settle down.

Boyd Ostroff · July 1st, 2008, 11:49 AM

Come on now people... I started this thread because it's a timely story and I was interested to hear how people are dealing with the end of the XP era. It was NOT intended as an excuse to post inflammatory remarks about Microsoft or start a platform war. We've deleted a couple posts already. Please remember that we have a zero tolerance policy at DVinfo when it comes to this sort of thing.

Richard Alvarez · July 1st, 2008, 01:20 PM

I'm not overly concerned about it. When I bought my first NLE (A turnkey AVID solution) it was running on Windows 2000 NT. The vendor stressed that XP wasn't 'ready' and AVID agreed. A few years later, AVID and XP were on the same page, and I made the change over. I view VISTA the same way. I'm not in a hurry to make the jump. AVID and Media Composer 3.O have just started to support it. BUT it still runs on XP as well. When I get around to upgrading my workstation computer... perhaps a year from now... I'll revisit VISTA and AVID's solution.

Meanwhile everything hums along on XP just fine.

Dave Blackhurst · July 1st, 2008, 01:37 PM

Hmmm...

Already OWN XP licenses for all my machines...

XP runs reliably and smoothly with most everything I need to do...

Vista would cost $100 a pop to "upgrade", and I'd also have to upgrade perfectly adequate hardware...

The only compelling question for me with Vista has been "WHY?"

XP will be around for a while, and as with many other things, sometimes one can "skip" an upgrade cycle, much to the consternation of the manufacturer. "New and improved" may or may not be the latter, and oft times is only "new" in respect to the revenue stream of the supplier...

BUT... that's how it goes if there's no compelling speed or usability improvement (and is there ANY "upgraded" version of Windows that hasn't required faster hardware for comparable performance?). I don't know of any "Vista only" app that would send me rushing out the door to buy a copy of Vista... is there one?

One of these days I MIGHT put a copy of Vista onto a new machine (build my own), or replace an aging laptop, which will no doubt have Vista preinstalled... but no hurry here.

It's quite entirely possible that "Windows 7" (that's the tentative name I heard the other day for the OS to succeed Vista) will be out before I find a compelling rason to upgrade.

Matt Newcomb · July 1st, 2008, 02:29 PM

XP certainly won't be hard to find, so there isn't much to worry about. Vista is not THAT bad, but it's new and has some kinks. It'll get there eventually though.

Michael Wisniewski · July 1st, 2008, 04:51 PM

I'm mainly waiting for a 64-bit Sony Vegas or Avid Media composer before I upgrade to Vista 64, so I'm sticking with XP Pro until that happens.

Roger Shealy · July 1st, 2008, 05:30 PM

I'm running Vista 64 now with very few problems and getting everything settled for Vegas 64 to arrive.

Vista was a little raw at first, but it's over the hump at this point and V64 seems pretty solid.

Ervin Farkas · July 15th, 2008, 01:09 PM

To me there are two kinds of computers, some for video editing, and some for general use.

What works for me: use the latest and greatest everything on the general use machine. Download all the updates on OS and all software, arm it with security programs. The result: even a brand new machine is not really faster than a 5 year old PC. I have seen brand new computers that take 3 minutes to boot!

Is it just me? It seems like with all of the advances in technology, most general use software (Office stuff for example) runs at the same speed (at best) as the old version... because it has a ton of new features I don't need. On one PC, after being fed up with the latest version of Office, I went back to the previous one and got a much faster computer after reformatting it.

On the editing machine: a clean copy of XP, with the minimum necessary service packs (tipycally SP2), install driver soft and the minimum editing software needed. I have one of these, a 3+ years old office use Dell (off the shelf), loads XP in under 30 seconds.

Marco Wagner · July 15th, 2008, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Boyd Ostroff

Come on now people... I started this thread because it's a timely story and I was interested to hear how people are dealing with the end of the XP era. It was NOT intended as an excuse to post inflammatory remarks about Microsoft or start a platform war. We've deleted a couple posts already. Please remember that we have a zero tolerance policy at DVinfo when it comes to this sort of thing.

I work in a 25,000 workstation environment and most of those systems are just NOW loading XP. 2000 has been the flavor of choice for the last so many years. We don't need MS to write patches or support the OS and its functionality. We do all of that in house. Our actual XP licenses extend well beyond their support end of life, so replacing Vista as new boxes come in will happen for years to come. Many of the normal folk out there don't even know about the end of support life for XP, only us techies and videophiles. The OEMs will pick up most of the slack as users with XP will call them first.

Matt Newcomb · July 16th, 2008, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ervin Farkas

To me there are two kinds of computers, some for video editing, and some for general use.

What works for me: use the latest and greatest everything on the general use machine. Download all the updates on OS and all software, arm it with security programs. The result: even a brand new machine is not really faster than a 5 year old PC. I have seen brand new computers that take 3 minutes to boot!

Is it just me? It seems like with all of the advances in technology, most general use software (Office stuff for example) runs at the same speed (at best) as the old version... because it has a ton of new features I don't need. On one PC, after being fed up with the latest version of Office, I went back to the previous one and got a much faster computer after reformatting it.

On the editing machine: a clean copy of XP, with the minimum necessary service packs (tipycally SP2), install driver soft and the minimum editing software needed. I have one of these, a 3+ years old office use Dell (off the shelf), loads XP in under 30 seconds.

Surely you aren't suggesting that the time it takes to boot up the OS is the sole factor that makes a computer "faster."

Jim Andrada · July 20th, 2008, 09:50 PM

I have a few as yet uninstalled copies of XP sitting in a box. No intention whatsoever to even think about Vista for another two or three years - if then.

I once had a notebook crash and had to re-install Windows. Couldn't find the disk that had come with the machine so installed a regular boxed version. It was a disaster - drivers missing, etc etc.

Installing on a desktop is a piece of cake, but notebook PC's are another story.

So I bought a MacBook Pro this time around. Regular boxed version of XP works just fine on it. I'm now running both Windows XP and Linux on the MacBook under VMware Fusion and am quite happy with it.

I have Vegas and Sound Forge running under VMware and so far performance has been reasonable. I also have my Waves audio plug-ins working on it thanks to the iLok USB dongle, which also works fine on the XP guest machine..

So far the only thing that hasn't worked is direct Firewire video capture to the Windows guest machine, but I've been able to capture OK so far with iMovie and I also have FinalCut Express installed on the Mac side. File interchange between MacOS and Windows has been trouble free so far, and when I'm at home the XP guest machine can access my network file servers just fine.

So I think I'm in a good spot to wait and see what develops with Vista. XP running natively on my big machines, and XP under VMware on the MacBook.

July 1st, 2008, 02:29 PM	#9
Matt Newcomb Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 212	XP certainly won't be hard to find, so there isn't much to worry about. Vista is not THAT bad, but it's new and has some kinks. It'll get there eventually though. __________________ Talenos Productions at http://www.talenos.com

July 1st, 2008, 04:51 PM	#10
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	I'm mainly waiting for a 64-bit Sony Vegas or Avid Media composer before I upgrade to Vista 64, so I'm sticking with XP Pro until that happens. __________________ "Ultimately, the most extraordinary thing, in a frame, is a human being." - Martin Scorsese

July 15th, 2008, 01:09 PM	#12
Ervin Farkas Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta/USA Posts: 2,515	To me there are two kinds of computers, some for video editing, and some for general use. What works for me: use the latest and greatest everything on the general use machine. Download all the updates on OS and all software, arm it with security programs. The result: even a brand new machine is not really faster than a 5 year old PC. I have seen brand new computers that take 3 minutes to boot! Is it just me? It seems like with all of the advances in technology, most general use software (Office stuff for example) runs at the same speed (at best) as the old version... because it has a ton of new features I don't need. On one PC, after being fed up with the latest version of Office, I went back to the previous one and got a much faster computer after reformatting it. On the editing machine: a clean copy of XP, with the minimum necessary service packs (tipycally SP2), install driver soft and the minimum editing software needed. I have one of these, a 3+ years old office use Dell (off the shelf), loads XP in under 30 seconds. __________________ Ervin Farkas www.AtlantaLegalVideo.com Last edited by Ervin Farkas; July 15th, 2008 at 02:00 PM.

July 1st, 2008, 07:52 AM	#2
Dennis Stevens Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 425	Sort of related to this news... I'm struggling with my new Vista Home Premium pc. Sort of an emergency purchase after my regular xp machine died. I've heard a lot of people say just install xp over it. I have a day job in the software field, though I don't deal with the intricacies of the operating systems. But I feel like doing that will bring about its own number of headaches and problems I'll have to troubleshoot. Sure, I'd figure them out, but I think I'll figure out problems and workarounds for Vista, plus various software manufacturers whose products I use (Red Giant, Adobe, Cineform, etc) will be working to smooth any bugs they are having with Vista. Plus, Microsoft is releasing their service packs, patches, etc. So, I'd rather deal with Vista for now. What y'all think?

July 1st, 2008, 08:20 AM	#3
Kevin Shaw Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,488	I think it's time to stock up on Windows XP installation discs, but if you can get everything to work with Vista that's okay too. Good luck...

July 1st, 2008, 09:15 AM	#4
Harm Millaard Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rotterdam, Netherlands Posts: 1,832	The one positive thing about this is that Intel has decided to skip Vista altogether for all of its 80.000+ PC's.

July 1st, 2008, 09:35 AM	#5
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	XP will still be supported with security updates. And it will be 'available' for years and years to come. (Ebay) Plenty of time for VISTA to sort out and settle down.

July 1st, 2008, 11:49 AM	#6
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	Come on now people... I started this thread because it's a timely story and I was interested to hear how people are dealing with the end of the XP era. It was NOT intended as an excuse to post inflammatory remarks about Microsoft or start a platform war. We've deleted a couple posts already. Please remember that we have a zero tolerance policy at DVinfo when it comes to this sort of thing.

July 1st, 2008, 01:20 PM	#7
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	I'm not overly concerned about it. When I bought my first NLE (A turnkey AVID solution) it was running on Windows 2000 NT. The vendor stressed that XP wasn't 'ready' and AVID agreed. A few years later, AVID and XP were on the same page, and I made the change over. I view VISTA the same way. I'm not in a hurry to make the jump. AVID and Media Composer 3.O have just started to support it. BUT it still runs on XP as well. When I get around to upgrading my workstation computer... perhaps a year from now... I'll revisit VISTA and AVID's solution. Meanwhile everything hums along on XP just fine.

July 1st, 2008, 01:37 PM	#8
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	Hmmm... Already OWN XP licenses for all my machines... XP runs reliably and smoothly with most everything I need to do... Vista would cost $100 a pop to "upgrade", and I'd also have to upgrade perfectly adequate hardware... The only compelling question for me with Vista has been "WHY?" XP will be around for a while, and as with many other things, sometimes one can "skip" an upgrade cycle, much to the consternation of the manufacturer. "New and improved" may or may not be the latter, and oft times is only "new" in respect to the revenue stream of the supplier... BUT... that's how it goes if there's no compelling speed or usability improvement (and is there ANY "upgraded" version of Windows that hasn't required faster hardware for comparable performance?). I don't know of any "Vista only" app that would send me rushing out the door to buy a copy of Vista... is there one? One of these days I MIGHT put a copy of Vista onto a new machine (build my own), or replace an aging laptop, which will no doubt have Vista preinstalled... but no hurry here. It's quite entirely possible that "Windows 7" (that's the tentative name I heard the other day for the OS to succeed Vista) will be out before I find a compelling rason to upgrade.

July 1st, 2008, 05:30 PM	#11
Roger Shealy Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Fayetteville, GA Posts: 772	I'm running Vista 64 now with very few problems and getting everything settled for Vegas 64 to arrive. Vista was a little raw at first, but it's over the hump at this point and V64 seems pretty solid.

July 20th, 2008, 09:50 PM	#15
Jim Andrada Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Tucson AZ Posts: 2,211	I have a few as yet uninstalled copies of XP sitting in a box. No intention whatsoever to even think about Vista for another two or three years - if then. I once had a notebook crash and had to re-install Windows. Couldn't find the disk that had come with the machine so installed a regular boxed version. It was a disaster - drivers missing, etc etc. Installing on a desktop is a piece of cake, but notebook PC's are another story. So I bought a MacBook Pro this time around. Regular boxed version of XP works just fine on it. I'm now running both Windows XP and Linux on the MacBook under VMware Fusion and am quite happy with it. I have Vegas and Sound Forge running under VMware and so far performance has been reasonable. I also have my Waves audio plug-ins working on it thanks to the iLok USB dongle, which also works fine on the XP guest machine.. So far the only thing that hasn't worked is direct Firewire video capture to the Windows guest machine, but I've been able to capture OK so far with iMovie and I also have FinalCut Express installed on the Mac side. File interchange between MacOS and Windows has been trouble free so far, and when I'm at home the XP guest machine can access my network file servers just fine. So I think I'm in a good spot to wait and see what develops with Vista. XP running natively on my big machines, and XP under VMware on the MacBook.