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June 12th, 2002, 11:50 AM

There are some technical issues, but it would be awesome if there were a communal stock footage library. I'm in NY and want to be involved

June 16th, 2002, 10:44 PM

Ive been thinkin about the storage file sizes of stock footage. One idea I came up with was to convert samples to an agreed upon streaming format with some approx file size limits. Sort of video thumbnails that would run if an image icon ( representative of the clip ) were clicked. File sizes could be kept small and we could all see what we have to select from. Then once you see something you want , the original shooter could be contacted thru this site and arrangements mad for desired format and mailing a DV tape copy. If anyone does not have a digitizer that compresses real time to streaming formats, look at www.adstech.com they have some inexpensive solutions that plug into USB ports, ALso very handy for DVD mpeg2 file creation in real time from DV via analogue ports. Any more other ideas out there would be appreciated. Walt

Peter Wiley · June 17th, 2002, 05:59 AM

Well, nothing is ever easy, right?

I looked at the artbeats web site (http://www.artbeats.com/prod/formats.php and http://www.artbeats.com/info/quality.php) to see how they solve some of the problems mentioned above. They deliver all their footage in the form of QuickTime files on CD-ROMs. These would not be too expensive to produce, at least in terms of materials (time, of course, is another matter). What would be needed? At minimum, a deck or decks that could play the agreed formats and computer(s) to covert to QuickTime.

I think the bigger issues would be logistical more than technical. What would be needed?

1. Technical standards about the quality and formats of tapes to be accepted. One could just use the PBS standards.

2. Legal standards for the footage. Proper clearances would be required and these would have to be kept track of. Also, user would have to agree, I think, to certian usage rules.

3. Rules about how contributors would be "paid." I was thinking that anyone who contributes so many minutes footage might be entitled to draw the same number of minutes out of the co-op library. An alternative would be to allow usage of library footage in proportion to how often the footage one submits is actually used. This would favor people who live nearby interesting/high demand locations. The problem is that one couldn't allow people to submit footage of traffic, or their cat, or their kids, and then allow them to use exsclusive footage of say, a space shuttle launch. In other words, there would probably have to be non-technical content standards for footage.

4. Someone would have to receive the tapes, log submissions, play the tapes check quality and then make the CDs, and provide information abot what's availabe. This would be very costly in terms of time, so the co-op would probably have to pay someone to do this. If the footage were sold to non-members of the co-op, it might not be so hard to generate cash. Because a co-op is generally non-profit, any cash in excess of operating costs could be paid to the contributors whose footage is selling which would be an additional benefit of membership. There might need to be a small members fee at first to help with cash-flow as the co-op got started up.

5. Much of the book-keeping/submissions could be kept track of via a web site.

Just thinking this through . . .

Eric Cole · June 17th, 2002, 10:46 PM

Hello. I, too, think this is a GREAT idea! I'm based in New Orleans so I could absolutely add some interesting video to the collection! And I'm always looking for quality stock footage to use in my projects, so definately COUNT ME IN!!

Rob Lohman · June 18th, 2002, 01:49 AM

Sounds very interesting Peter, you do make some very good
points. I do want to include PAL/NTSC into the mix. If someone
where to send me an NTSC tape (I live in a PAL world) I cannot
read it I think. Then ofcourse there are framerate conversions
and what not......

interesting though!

Steve Nunez · June 18th, 2002, 08:04 AM

This sounds like a terrific way of getting DV footage from areas afar.

I'm in NYC and have alot of "misc" footage- from cars driving by in the busy NYC atmosphere to animals running around (even insects)...whatever you guys want- I can contribute.

Chris here's an idea: maybe you can setup a board that allows user's to submit profiles and available footage they'd share (by Location)- along with all the other misc info- such as email address, postal address etc...

Have fun guys,

Bill Ravens · June 18th, 2002, 08:08 AM

Count me in. I live in New Mexico and I have access to many Southwestern US sites...historic ruins, rocky mountains, etc., etc.

James Rulison · June 18th, 2002, 04:59 PM

Count me in Southern California.

Big James,

jrulison@hotmail.com

Margus Kivilaan · June 19th, 2002, 08:46 AM

yeah I think Rob is right about problems arising with PAL/NTSC and vice versa conversion of material. DV NTSC and PAL have different frame rates and different compression scheme (4:1:1 vs 4:2:0) so converting from one to another can be disastorous.
But anyway if somebody needs "3rd dimension" in video I have a lot of footage about skydiving and a lot of friends who have even more. All material is originated in PAL DV format.

I'm in!
margus@vid-doc.ee

B. Moore · June 19th, 2002, 09:16 AM

Gee, I wish I had thought of that! (April 30, 2002)

June 27th, 2002, 09:57 PM

Great concept. I'm in Phily where there are plenty of historical sites and things like the steps Rocky ran up. Count me in.

George Gerez · June 28th, 2002, 07:43 AM

Count me in Also.. I am In Miami, Florida (Near you)..

Petri Storlöpare · July 1st, 2002, 06:45 AM

Sounds like a great idea to me!
Kyoto is where I live for the moment.

John Dynes · August 6th, 2002, 09:53 AM

Would love to participate. Canon XL1S with a FCP system up here in Toronto Canada. jdynes@sympatico.ca

Cheers
JD

Dan Holly · August 6th, 2002, 10:19 AM

Count me in......

Alaska's wild country (with rivers attached).

I have some decent footage of Mt. McKinley, bears, moose, etc that comes to mind.

June 12th, 2002, 11:50 AM	#16
cheeba13 Posts: n/a	footage sharing There are some technical issues, but it would be awesome if there were a communal stock footage library. I'm in NY and want to be involved

June 17th, 2002, 10:46 PM	#19
Eric Cole New Boot Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Orleans, La. Posts: 8	dv network Hello. I, too, think this is a GREAT idea! I'm based in New Orleans so I could absolutely add some interesting video to the collection! And I'm always looking for quality stock footage to use in my projects, so definately COUNT ME IN!! __________________ Eric Cole EncoreVideoProd@aol.com (985)651-0001

June 18th, 2002, 01:49 AM	#20
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Sounds very interesting Peter, you do make some very good points. I do want to include PAL/NTSC into the mix. If someone where to send me an NTSC tape (I live in a PAL world) I cannot read it I think. Then ofcourse there are framerate conversions and what not...... interesting though! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

June 18th, 2002, 08:04 AM	#21
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	This sounds like a terrific way of getting DV footage from areas afar. I'm in NYC and have alot of "misc" footage- from cars driving by in the busy NYC atmosphere to animals running around (even insects)...whatever you guys want- I can contribute. Chris here's an idea: maybe you can setup a board that allows user's to submit profiles and available footage they'd share (by Location)- along with all the other misc info- such as email address, postal address etc... Have fun guys, __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

June 27th, 2002, 09:57 PM	#26
Rafe1323 Posts: n/a	DV Network Great concept. I'm in Phily where there are plenty of historical sites and things like the steps Rocky ran up. Count me in.

June 16th, 2002, 10:44 PM	#17
cyberstreme.com Posts: n/a	Ive been thinkin about the storage file sizes of stock footage. One idea I came up with was to convert samples to an agreed upon streaming format with some approx file size limits. Sort of video thumbnails that would run if an image icon ( representative of the clip ) were clicked. File sizes could be kept small and we could all see what we have to select from. Then once you see something you want , the original shooter could be contacted thru this site and arrangements mad for desired format and mailing a DV tape copy. If anyone does not have a digitizer that compresses real time to streaming formats, look at www.adstech.com they have some inexpensive solutions that plug into USB ports, ALso very handy for DVD mpeg2 file creation in real time from DV via analogue ports. Any more other ideas out there would be appreciated. Walt

June 17th, 2002, 05:59 AM	#18
Peter Wiley Major Player Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Lewisburg PA Posts: 752	Well, nothing is ever easy, right? I looked at the artbeats web site (http://www.artbeats.com/prod/formats.php and http://www.artbeats.com/info/quality.php) to see how they solve some of the problems mentioned above. They deliver all their footage in the form of QuickTime files on CD-ROMs. These would not be too expensive to produce, at least in terms of materials (time, of course, is another matter). What would be needed? At minimum, a deck or decks that could play the agreed formats and computer(s) to covert to QuickTime. I think the bigger issues would be logistical more than technical. What would be needed? 1. Technical standards about the quality and formats of tapes to be accepted. One could just use the PBS standards. 2. Legal standards for the footage. Proper clearances would be required and these would have to be kept track of. Also, user would have to agree, I think, to certian usage rules. 3. Rules about how contributors would be "paid." I was thinking that anyone who contributes so many minutes footage might be entitled to draw the same number of minutes out of the co-op library. An alternative would be to allow usage of library footage in proportion to how often the footage one submits is actually used. This would favor people who live nearby interesting/high demand locations. The problem is that one couldn't allow people to submit footage of traffic, or their cat, or their kids, and then allow them to use exsclusive footage of say, a space shuttle launch. In other words, there would probably have to be non-technical content standards for footage. 4. Someone would have to receive the tapes, log submissions, play the tapes check quality and then make the CDs, and provide information abot what's availabe. This would be very costly in terms of time, so the co-op would probably have to pay someone to do this. If the footage were sold to non-members of the co-op, it might not be so hard to generate cash. Because a co-op is generally non-profit, any cash in excess of operating costs could be paid to the contributors whose footage is selling which would be an additional benefit of membership. There might need to be a small members fee at first to help with cash-flow as the co-op got started up. 5. Much of the book-keeping/submissions could be kept track of via a web site. Just thinking this through . . .

June 18th, 2002, 08:08 AM	#22
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	Count me in. I live in New Mexico and I have access to many Southwestern US sites...historic ruins, rocky mountains, etc., etc.

June 18th, 2002, 04:59 PM	#23
James Rulison Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Chino Hills, CA Posts: 59	Count me in Southern California. Big James, jrulison@hotmail.com

June 19th, 2002, 08:46 AM	#24
Margus Kivilaan Regular Crew Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tallinn, Estonia Posts: 123	yeah I think Rob is right about problems arising with PAL/NTSC and vice versa conversion of material. DV NTSC and PAL have different frame rates and different compression scheme (4:1:1 vs 4:2:0) so converting from one to another can be disastorous. But anyway if somebody needs "3rd dimension" in video I have a lot of footage about skydiving and a lot of friends who have even more. All material is originated in PAL DV format. I'm in! margus@vid-doc.ee

June 19th, 2002, 09:16 AM	#25
B. Moore Major Player Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 181	Gee, I wish I had thought of that! (April 30, 2002)

June 28th, 2002, 07:43 AM	#27
George Gerez Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 49	Count me in Also.. I am In Miami, Florida (Near you).. __________________ George Gerez Tamarac, FL (Broward County) (954)821-3866 gerez@bellsouth.net --- PC Based editor: Adobe Premier Pro, Canopus DV Storm Pro. SONY VX2000, Panasonic DVX100a

July 1st, 2002, 06:45 AM	#28
Petri Storlöpare New Boot Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Japan Posts: 6	Sounds like a great idea to me! Kyoto is where I live for the moment.

August 6th, 2002, 09:53 AM	#29
John Dynes New Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Toronto ON Canada Posts: 6	Would love to participate. Canon XL1S with a FCP system up here in Toronto Canada. jdynes@sympatico.ca Cheers JD

August 6th, 2002, 10:19 AM	#30
Dan Holly Major Player Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 336	co-op Count me in...... Alaska's wild country (with rivers attached). I have some decent footage of Mt. McKinley, bears, moose, etc that comes to mind. __________________ Dan Holly Anchorage, Alaska