Greetings from Sunnyvale, CA

Ted Mattos · July 14th, 2008, 10:50 PM

Hey there, Axel.

Well, I decided to go with the HV30 and I'm sure I'll be happy with it.

In fact, I purchased this

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...Guide_for.html

So now I'm committed to it! ;)

If you guys ever plan on grabbing a soda (or tea or whatever) somewhere let me know...and if I'm free, I may just show up. :) I'd love to learn from you guys...since I'm sure you both know so much more than I do! :)

Garrett Low · July 15th, 2008, 01:49 AM

Hi Axel,

Here's my latest build:

Intel Q9450
ABit IP35 Pro MOBO
4 gig crucial ram DDR2 4-4-4-12
2 oem 750 GB 32mb buffer drives (run in Raid 0)
1 retail 500 GB WD Drive (Program drive)
BFG 9800 GX2 Video Card
Creative Extreme Fatal1ty Sound Card
Corsair 750W PS
Lite-on SATA DVD R/W
Rocketfish Full tower server case (actualy made by Lian-Li for Best Buy, no longer available, it was a $300 case on close out for $79)

I had it running up at 3.4Ghz with a slight bump in voltage. It was rock solid but since this is my editing machine I wanted to try to keep the heat and voltage down, so I've got it running at 3.2Ghz and no problems. I've got three screens connected (22", 19", and a 19" LCD HDTV throught he HDMI out). I can preview at full frame rates, full screen Best quality on my 19" LCD TV with Vegas 8 Pro (as long as I don't have more than 1 FX on the video track) I usually just do preview Auto since that gives me full frame rates even with several FX's on the track.

you're right about the AVC codec. I think the problem is it's still not very well developed as far as NLE's go. There aren't that many companies that can handle it. One thing that would probably help is to convert it into the Cineform Codec. I use it for my HDV editing and it really helps not only in speed but it also holds up much better to multigenerations of color correction and edits.

Ted, congrats on the purchase. I'm sure you won't be dissapointed. Since you already had the HV20 you probably know a lot of the ins and outs fo the camera. I'm not sure when I'd be availabel to get down there an meet but if I could figure it out I'd be up for it.

Ted Mattos · July 15th, 2008, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garrett Low

you're right about the AVC codec. I think the problem is it's still not very well developed as far as NLE's go. There aren't that many companies that can handle it. One thing that would probably help is to convert it into the Cineform Codec. I use it for my HDV editing and it really helps not only in speed but it also holds up much better to multigenerations of color correction and edits.

Hi Garrett,

Can you explain the Cineform codec more? Is it a software or something that allows a person to convert the AVCHD into a different format?

Brett Beanan · July 15th, 2008, 08:33 AM

What school are you teaching at? I grew up in Sunnyvale and am planning on going to a 15 year reunion in October at Fremont High School. I now live in Las Vegas (8 years ago it was impossible to for a first time home buyer to even think about buying a house)

Ted Mattos · July 15th, 2008, 09:42 AM

Brett, you're just a kid then at 33. :)

I teach near Cupe Middle School so my kids feed to Homestead (probably your rivals). :)

Garrett Low · July 15th, 2008, 10:06 AM

Hi Ted,

CineForm is a company that makes a software that converts your raw footage into an intermediate codec (or multimedia file format) that you then use in non linear editing programs and then render out to your final format (AVCHD, MPEG-2, AVI, etc.). The main advantage is that it is very close to an uncompressed format so each it handles the various filters and effects that you may apply during your editing much better than either an AVC or HDV file. It also encodes the files using more color information so that again helps retain the color during edits.

There's a whole section devoted to CineForm on this forum:

http://dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=115554

The link is a pretty good start to understanding what it does. One main advantage is that it will speed up your editing process (after encoding) because you end up dealing with uncompressed files. Remember that HDV and AVCHD have to go through a rendering engine just to preview. That is due to the file structure and the fact that they are both are GOP (groups of pictures). In other words each frame that is saved to the disk or tape does not contain complete information to build that frame. It only contains what has changed from one frame to the next. So, for instance, HDV uses a 15 frame GOP. Only every 15th frame contains complete information. So, when you watch an HDV file, your hardware has to look at the group of 15 frames, decide what each frame is suppose to looke like, then output to your monitor. That's why it moves so slow compared to watching an AVI file. The CineForm Codec takes the 15 frames and rebuilds each frame with complete information. The downside is cost (you have another program to buy), and you need more HD space when editing.

Sorry if you already knew a bunch of this but just wanted to try to be clear.

Garrett

Ted Mattos · July 15th, 2008, 10:42 AM

Hi Garrett!

No! That was awesome. Thanks for the information... I knew NOTHING about it. :)

I'll take a look at that link so that my head fill with even more information! LOL!

Thanks again. :)

Brett Beanan · July 15th, 2008, 10:58 AM

Back when I was there my teacher (Tim Shannon) would "lend" me out to all of the other high schools in the area to help out with their shows, so I knew them all...

So middle schools I went to Sunnyvale Jr. High... I sure do not feel like a kid anymore no longer am I the youngest on gigs... now I am the "if anyone knows Brett will guy..."

Ted Mattos · July 15th, 2008, 12:33 PM

Ah, yes...Sunnyvale Jr. high is part of the Sunnyvale district. I'm with the Cupertino District (which feeds into the Fremont District).

At 33, you're a kid to my 41 years. ;)

July 14th, 2008, 10:50 PM	#16
Ted Mattos New Boot Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sunnyvale, CA Posts: 15	Hey there, Axel. Well, I decided to go with the HV30 and I'm sure I'll be happy with it. In fact, I purchased this http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...Guide_for.html So now I'm committed to it! ;) If you guys ever plan on grabbing a soda (or tea or whatever) somewhere let me know...and if I'm free, I may just show up. :) I'd love to learn from you guys...since I'm sure you both know so much more than I do! :)

July 15th, 2008, 01:49 AM	#17
Garrett Low Trustee Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Novato, CA Posts: 1,774	Hi Axel, Here's my latest build: Intel Q9450 ABit IP35 Pro MOBO 4 gig crucial ram DDR2 4-4-4-12 2 oem 750 GB 32mb buffer drives (run in Raid 0) 1 retail 500 GB WD Drive (Program drive) BFG 9800 GX2 Video Card Creative Extreme Fatal1ty Sound Card Corsair 750W PS Lite-on SATA DVD R/W Rocketfish Full tower server case (actualy made by Lian-Li for Best Buy, no longer available, it was a $300 case on close out for $79) I had it running up at 3.4Ghz with a slight bump in voltage. It was rock solid but since this is my editing machine I wanted to try to keep the heat and voltage down, so I've got it running at 3.2Ghz and no problems. I've got three screens connected (22", 19", and a 19" LCD HDTV throught he HDMI out). I can preview at full frame rates, full screen Best quality on my 19" LCD TV with Vegas 8 Pro (as long as I don't have more than 1 FX on the video track) I usually just do preview Auto since that gives me full frame rates even with several FX's on the track. you're right about the AVC codec. I think the problem is it's still not very well developed as far as NLE's go. There aren't that many companies that can handle it. One thing that would probably help is to convert it into the Cineform Codec. I use it for my HDV editing and it really helps not only in speed but it also holds up much better to multigenerations of color correction and edits. Ted, congrats on the purchase. I'm sure you won't be dissapointed. Since you already had the HV20 you probably know a lot of the ins and outs fo the camera. I'm not sure when I'd be availabel to get down there an meet but if I could figure it out I'd be up for it.

July 15th, 2008, 08:33 AM	#19
Brett Beanan New Boot Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 11	What school are you teaching at? I grew up in Sunnyvale and am planning on going to a 15 year reunion in October at Fremont High School. I now live in Las Vegas (8 years ago it was impossible to for a first time home buyer to even think about buying a house)

July 15th, 2008, 09:42 AM	#20
Ted Mattos New Boot Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sunnyvale, CA Posts: 15	Brett, you're just a kid then at 33. :) I teach near Cupe Middle School so my kids feed to Homestead (probably your rivals). :)

July 15th, 2008, 10:06 AM	#21
Garrett Low Trustee Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Novato, CA Posts: 1,774	Hi Ted, CineForm is a company that makes a software that converts your raw footage into an intermediate codec (or multimedia file format) that you then use in non linear editing programs and then render out to your final format (AVCHD, MPEG-2, AVI, etc.). The main advantage is that it is very close to an uncompressed format so each it handles the various filters and effects that you may apply during your editing much better than either an AVC or HDV file. It also encodes the files using more color information so that again helps retain the color during edits. There's a whole section devoted to CineForm on this forum: http://dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=115554 The link is a pretty good start to understanding what it does. One main advantage is that it will speed up your editing process (after encoding) because you end up dealing with uncompressed files. Remember that HDV and AVCHD have to go through a rendering engine just to preview. That is due to the file structure and the fact that they are both are GOP (groups of pictures). In other words each frame that is saved to the disk or tape does not contain complete information to build that frame. It only contains what has changed from one frame to the next. So, for instance, HDV uses a 15 frame GOP. Only every 15th frame contains complete information. So, when you watch an HDV file, your hardware has to look at the group of 15 frames, decide what each frame is suppose to looke like, then output to your monitor. That's why it moves so slow compared to watching an AVI file. The CineForm Codec takes the 15 frames and rebuilds each frame with complete information. The downside is cost (you have another program to buy), and you need more HD space when editing. Sorry if you already knew a bunch of this but just wanted to try to be clear. Garrett

July 15th, 2008, 10:42 AM	#22
Ted Mattos New Boot Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sunnyvale, CA Posts: 15	Hi Garrett! No! That was awesome. Thanks for the information... I knew NOTHING about it. :) I'll take a look at that link so that my head fill with even more information! LOL! Thanks again. :)

July 15th, 2008, 10:58 AM	#23
Brett Beanan New Boot Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 11	Back when I was there my teacher (Tim Shannon) would "lend" me out to all of the other high schools in the area to help out with their shows, so I knew them all... So middle schools I went to Sunnyvale Jr. High... I sure do not feel like a kid anymore no longer am I the youngest on gigs... now I am the "if anyone knows Brett will guy..."

July 15th, 2008, 12:33 PM	#24
Ted Mattos New Boot Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sunnyvale, CA Posts: 15	Ah, yes...Sunnyvale Jr. high is part of the Sunnyvale district. I'm with the Cupertino District (which feeds into the Fremont District). At 33, you're a kid to my 41 years. ;)