various Magic Bullet questions

Joshua Provost · April 6th, 2005, 12:25 PM

There are three places to set field order. If you are deinterlacing, you need to...

AE Interpret Footage - No Fields
Magic Bullet - Upper Field First (MB shoul detect and set this in auto-config, it's lower for me)
AE Output - No Fields

Josh

Brendan Sundry · April 6th, 2005, 10:56 PM

thanks so much Josh,

I think this seemed to be my first configuration before i realised i better set my fields right.

Actually seems that i was right the first time.

Riley Harmon · May 8th, 2005, 06:21 PM

What are the primary differences in motion between Magic Bullet Suite and the DVX100a? (besides the obvious of real-time) Do the two yield basically the same result. I think I remember reading that Magic Bullet is a bit more shuttery, but I can't remember...

Thanks

Peter Jefferson · May 9th, 2005, 06:48 AM

"differences in motion "

well.. magic bullet deinterlaces, while the dvx is shooting in full res true progressive

to the naked eye, it may not be that noticable, but the native progressive footage will be sharper...

Joshua Provost · May 9th, 2005, 12:34 PM

It's the difference between actually taking an image at 24 distinct moments in time (per second)... and trying to approximate that based on images taken after 60 other moments in time. At best it's an approximation, and will never be as accurate or as detailed as the real thing.

Riley Harmon · May 18th, 2005, 07:52 PM

does anyone enable frame blending with magic bullet in after effects? it looks like it might provide a little bit of an added motion blur and may look better. what are people's opinions on this?

Joshua Provost · May 19th, 2005, 11:25 AM

My experience is that it adds too much blending. It seems to blend a number of frames together. I'm not sure if it's configurable. It may be better suited as a creative tool, since it'll give a real slurry effect.

Zack Birlew · May 23rd, 2005, 10:50 AM

It's been a while since the Sony FX1/Z1's came out. Hasn't anyone tried Magic Bullet Suite with them? I hear about Vegas being a good NLE for the 24p conversion, as well as many others such as Twixtor and that Avi whatchamacallit, but I've yet to see any FX1/Z1 footage converted to 24p using Magic Bullet. Now that I think about it, I haven't seen any samples of FX1/Z1 footage converted to 24p. What's the holdup people? =)

James Connors · May 25th, 2005, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Felis

What's the holdup people? =)

They're waiting for it to render :D :D :D :D

Zack Birlew · May 25th, 2005, 05:24 PM

lol, nice one. I'm still surprised nobody has even tried. >.<

Maxime Tremblay · May 29th, 2005, 08:23 AM

I recently tried to install MB for Editors (the trial version) but when I install it, it fails to install the presets. I asked my friend to download the trial and install it but it did the same thing on his computer.

Could someone sends me the presets? Or give me the settings forr at least Basic and Basic Warm/Cool presets? That would be really nice since I want to get an idea on the effect it gives on different movies I made.

Thanks, Maxime

PS: I'm using Adobe Premiere Pro

Nathan Petersen · June 1st, 2005, 11:40 PM

I had the same problem and im using Permiere as well. I downloaded a update I believe. Is that all you want to use in Magic bullet is the filmic look? Or what, because I dont think I got the other stuff to work.

Nathan Petersen · June 2nd, 2005, 03:57 PM

Is there anything out there? I need a plugin for Adobe Permiere pro, I have magic bullet but was wondering if there is anything better out there. Magic bullet tends to be very very slow at rendering, I'm sure there is nothing that is faster though, correct?

Glenn Chan · June 2nd, 2005, 04:17 PM

Virtually everything else is faster.

What particular things do you want to do?

There may be ways to emulate Magic Bullet looks with Premiere's tools plus Synthetic Aperture's Color Finesse. They won't be exactly the same, and will not be as easy to use. However, you can accomplish lots of different things MB can't do. Use masking to isolate particular areas of an image (like power windows on a Da Vinci, except slower and better). Secondary color correction (affecting only particular colors). etc.

Maxime Tremblay · June 2nd, 2005, 04:53 PM

Problem solved, I installed the MB Suite for After Effects at my friend house, took some settings in note and used them in Premiere. The result is impressive!

May 8th, 2005, 06:21 PM	#63
Riley Harmon Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 424	dvx100 and Magic bullet What are the primary differences in motion between Magic Bullet Suite and the DVX100a? (besides the obvious of real-time) Do the two yield basically the same result. I think I remember reading that Magic Bullet is a bit more shuttery, but I can't remember... Thanks

May 9th, 2005, 12:34 PM	#65
Joshua Provost Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 493	It's the difference between actually taking an image at 24 distinct moments in time (per second)... and trying to approximate that based on images taken after 60 other moments in time. At best it's an approximation, and will never be as accurate or as detailed as the real thing. __________________ Owner/Operator, 727 Records Co-Founder, Matter of Chance Productions Blogger, Try Avoidance

May 18th, 2005, 07:52 PM	#66
Riley Harmon Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 424	magic bullet - frame blend does anyone enable frame blending with magic bullet in after effects? it looks like it might provide a little bit of an added motion blur and may look better. what are people's opinions on this?

May 19th, 2005, 11:25 AM	#67
Joshua Provost Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 493	My experience is that it adds too much blending. It seems to blend a number of frames together. I'm not sure if it's configurable. It may be better suited as a creative tool, since it'll give a real slurry effect. __________________ Owner/Operator, 727 Records Co-Founder, Matter of Chance Productions Blogger, Try Avoidance

May 23rd, 2005, 10:50 AM	#68
Zack Birlew Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 613	Has anyone even tried Magic Bullet with HDV footage yet? It's been a while since the Sony FX1/Z1's came out. Hasn't anyone tried Magic Bullet Suite with them? I hear about Vegas being a good NLE for the 24p conversion, as well as many others such as Twixtor and that Avi whatchamacallit, but I've yet to see any FX1/Z1 footage converted to 24p using Magic Bullet. Now that I think about it, I haven't seen any samples of FX1/Z1 footage converted to 24p. What's the holdup people? =) __________________ "Babs Do or Babs Do not, there is no try." - Zack Birlew www.BabsDoProductions.com

April 6th, 2005, 12:25 PM	#61
Joshua Provost Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 493	There are three places to set field order. If you are deinterlacing, you need to... AE Interpret Footage - No Fields Magic Bullet - Upper Field First (MB shoul detect and set this in auto-config, it's lower for me) AE Output - No Fields Josh

April 6th, 2005, 10:56 PM	#62
Brendan Sundry Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 112	thanks so much Josh, I think this seemed to be my first configuration before i realised i better set my fields right. Actually seems that i was right the first time.

May 9th, 2005, 06:48 AM	#64
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	"differences in motion " well.. magic bullet deinterlaces, while the dvx is shooting in full res true progressive to the naked eye, it may not be that noticable, but the native progressive footage will be sharper...

May 25th, 2005, 05:24 PM	#70
Zack Birlew Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 613	lol, nice one. I'm still surprised nobody has even tried. >.< __________________ "Babs Do or Babs Do not, there is no try." - Zack Birlew www.BabsDoProductions.com

May 29th, 2005, 08:23 AM	#71
Maxime Tremblay Tourist Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3	Magic Bullet presets error I recently tried to install MB for Editors (the trial version) but when I install it, it fails to install the presets. I asked my friend to download the trial and install it but it did the same thing on his computer. Could someone sends me the presets? Or give me the settings forr at least Basic and Basic Warm/Cool presets? That would be really nice since I want to get an idea on the effect it gives on different movies I made. Thanks, Maxime PS: I'm using Adobe Premiere Pro

June 1st, 2005, 11:40 PM	#72
Nathan Petersen Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 95	Magic bullet...only if it was faster. I had the same problem and im using Permiere as well. I downloaded a update I believe. Is that all you want to use in Magic bullet is the filmic look? Or what, because I dont think I got the other stuff to work.

June 2nd, 2005, 03:57 PM	#73
Nathan Petersen Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 95	Somthing better then Magic bullet? Is there anything out there? I need a plugin for Adobe Permiere pro, I have magic bullet but was wondering if there is anything better out there. Magic bullet tends to be very very slow at rendering, I'm sure there is nothing that is faster though, correct?

June 2nd, 2005, 04:17 PM	#74
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	Virtually everything else is faster. What particular things do you want to do? There may be ways to emulate Magic Bullet looks with Premiere's tools plus Synthetic Aperture's Color Finesse. They won't be exactly the same, and will not be as easy to use. However, you can accomplish lots of different things MB can't do. Use masking to isolate particular areas of an image (like power windows on a Da Vinci, except slower and better). Secondary color correction (affecting only particular colors). etc.

June 2nd, 2005, 04:53 PM	#75
Maxime Tremblay Tourist Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3	Problem solved, I installed the MB Suite for After Effects at my friend house, took some settings in note and used them in Premiere. The result is impressive!