Filmaking Tutorials software (helpful) at DVinfo.net

Joey Dee · February 9th, 2006, 11:44 AM

Hi everyone,

I have came across a 3d filmaking techinique tutorials.

http://www.hollywoodcamerawork.us/mc_sampleclips.html

To be honest I find these tutorial very beneficial - maybe becuase i am a beginer...

What is your opinion on such software?

I have another question, view the first clip titled TRACK PIVOT. You will see a track pivot shot as well as other cameras in the scene giving a over to shoulder shot an a trak pivot shot. I was curious to know, if they are both cameras shoot the scene at a different time to avoid noticing the camera in the background... OR their both shoot at the same time?

Thanks,
JOey

Emre Safak · February 9th, 2006, 11:53 AM

You just discovered Hollywood Camera Work? They're the best; you can't go wrong with their Master Course...and it's a DVD set, not a software application.

Joey Dee · February 9th, 2006, 12:30 PM

ahh yes a DVD.. sorry about that.. they seem amazingggggg...

So I take it that Hollywood Camera Work have a positive feedback...

Shawn Murphy · February 10th, 2006, 03:43 AM

I own it, it's amazing!

I'm actually studying the entire set with some friends, we meet each week to watch it and discuss (there's a lot of information and you could easily watch the entire set several times over and over before you could possibly remember everything!). keep in mind that this is explicitly about blocking/camera moves.

Here's a great review: http://www.dvxuser.com/articles/hollywood/

~Shawn

Joey Dee · February 13th, 2006, 08:09 PM

Shawn,

That's fantastic.... I've seen the samples on the site and found them to be extremely helpful they were just so intersting to watch. Its very rare to find some good content compiled with visual guidance such as this.

"keep in mind that this is explicitly about blocking/camera moves."

What do you mean by blocking??? meaning blocking the camera from being noticed while filming???

View this image
http://www.dvxuser.com/articles/hollywood/image006.jpg

The line going from the middle of each characters to the other is symbolizes what?

Im not to sure why there is 8 cameras as well :<

Joey :)~

Emre Safak · February 13th, 2006, 08:33 PM

Joey,

Blocking refers to the positioning and movement of the talent and camera. The "eight cameras" are the different camera positions suggested to cover the scene.

Shawn Murphy · February 13th, 2006, 08:34 PM

**Emre got it covered, just as I was hitting send (but his post is much more succinct!) ;-)

Blocking basically refers to the planning of the camera placement in relation to the actors movements and any other required elements/objects in a scene.

From the web/Google query:

"Blocking a shot (or scene) the process of figuring out where the camera goes, how the lights will be arranged, and what the actors' positions and movements - moment by moment - are for each shot or take; often, the specific staging of a film's movements are worked out by the director, often with stand-ins and the lighting crew before actual shooting"

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The lines in the picture represent what is called the 180 line, it's an imaginary line that (as a general rule) a camera normally doesn't cross. This concept is covered in-depth in this video series and it covers exceptions to that "rule" and ways in which you can break that guideline more subtly.

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The eight cameras in the picture represent possible camera positions for a given scene, it's not meant to imply that there would be eight cameras going at once (though I've heard of such high numbers in some films, particularly for action sequences).

Shawn Murphy · February 13th, 2006, 08:39 PM

Do a quick Google search for this term: "180 degree rule"

The first five or so links have some great explanations of the concept.

Joey Dee · February 14th, 2006, 09:21 AM

Ahh... THanks Shawn and Emre

I know about the 180degree rule I just didnt think to realise that they draw lines my mistake :<

I know Ozu the Japanese director always breaks that convention, its actually pretty cool to see a film which breaks the 180 rule cuz it like gets ur attention right away.

SO this Hollywood Cinema is deff worth it uhh guys???

Right now Im saving a bit of money here to buy a Canon Xl2 with some accessories and I will get this DVD also...

IT would be very interesting to watch these 6 dvds ;)
What else can you guys suggest me? SHould i look into a storyboard software or just OLD FASHION paper and pencil even though im a horrible drawer :<

Joey :>~

Steve House · February 15th, 2006, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey Dee

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I know about the 180degree rule I just didnt think to realise that they draw lines my mistake :<

I know Ozu the Japanese director always breaks that convention, its actually pretty cool to see a film which breaks the 180 rule cuz it like gets ur attention right away.

SO this Hollywood Cinema is deff worth it uhh guys???

R...

Just FYI - one should never break the "rules" of good technique just to be "cool." Those practices came about because they work to tell the story effectively and going contrary to them usually won't. It's like writing with proper spelling and grammer - if you don't use it, no one will understand what you're trying to say. On the other hand, there are times when one might make a reasoned, artistic choice to break the rules if doing so does a better job of communicating what you're trying to get across than following them would do.

I'll second the recomends for Hollywood Camera Work. They're a very valuable training tool. If purchasing is a bit steep, you might be able to find them for rent from specialist online video rental services like Technical Video Rental. OTOH their purchase price is a lot less than a semester's tuition to film school and if studied carefully probably just as valuable.

Emre Safak · February 15th, 2006, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey Dee

SHould i look into a storyboard software or just OLD FASHION paper and pencil even though im a horrible drawer :<

If you don't have to share your storyboard with anyone, you can do it yourself.

Joey Dee · February 15th, 2006, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve House

Just FYI - one should never break the "rules" of good technique just to be "cool."

Steve, Yasujiro Ozu is one of the greatest filmakers of all time. I agree with you to a certain extent. Depending on what the director " auteur " is trying to represent in a film there isn't an obligation to follow a rule, in the films of Ozu he is representing " space " the amount of space between the characters and the camera therefore breaking the 180 rule is relevant.

So back to Hollywood Cinema...

I am deff going to purchase this set of dvds :) As for storyboard im not a great drawer so i will try to play with some free trial softwares

Joey :>

Emre Safak · February 15th, 2006, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey Dee

I am deff going to purchase this set of dvds :) As for storyboard im not a great drawer so i will try to play with some free trial softwares

My drawing ability is at the matchstick-man stage, yet I drew mine own storyboards, because they were only meant as a reminder to myself.

Steve House · February 15th, 2006, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey Dee

Steve, Yasujiro Ozu is one of the greatest filmakers of all time. I agree with you to a certain extent. Depending on what the director " auteur " is trying to represent in a film there isn't an obligation to follow a rule, in the films of Ozu he is representing " space " the amount of space between the characters and the camera therefore breaking the 180 rule is relevant.

So back to Hollywood Cinema...

I am deff going to purchase this set of dvds :) As for storyboard im not a great drawer so i will try to play with some free trial softwares

Joey :>

Absolutely, no disagreement. But I'll bet he's doing it for what are very carefully thought-out artistic reasons and it's very unlikely he's doing it just to be "cool." Unfortunately that's what seems to motivate a lot of other folks, especially students.

Crotchity geezer mode off now <grin>

Steve Witt · February 15th, 2006, 08:12 PM

Those DVDs can be rented for a week at a time from here, and sent to your house. Check it out.
http://technicalvideorental.com/inde...x&cPath=109_86
Each of the links for these DVDs covers two disks that are to be rented seperately or together.
Staging high-end scenes (two DVDs)
Stationary blocking (two DVDs)
The moving camera (two DVDs)
That is the entire Master Course!!! (six DVDs)

February 9th, 2006, 11:44 AM	#1
Joey Dee Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London, UK Posts: 76	Filmaking Tutorials software (helpful) Hi everyone, I have came across a 3d filmaking techinique tutorials. http://www.hollywoodcamerawork.us/mc_sampleclips.html To be honest I find these tutorial very beneficial - maybe becuase i am a beginer... What is your opinion on such software? I have another question, view the first clip titled TRACK PIVOT. You will see a track pivot shot as well as other cameras in the scene giving a over to shoulder shot an a trak pivot shot. I was curious to know, if they are both cameras shoot the scene at a different time to avoid noticing the camera in the background... OR their both shoot at the same time? Thanks, JOey

February 15th, 2006, 08:12 PM	#15
Steve Witt Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: kentucky, USA Posts: 429	Those DVDs can be rented for a week at a time from here, and sent to your house. Check it out. http://technicalvideorental.com/inde...x&cPath=109_86 Each of the links for these DVDs covers two disks that are to be rented seperately or together. Staging high-end scenes (two DVDs) Stationary blocking (two DVDs) The moving camera (two DVDs) That is the entire Master Course!!! (six DVDs) Last edited by Steve Witt; February 15th, 2006 at 10:05 PM.

February 9th, 2006, 11:53 AM	#2
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	You just discovered Hollywood Camera Work? They're the best; you can't go wrong with their Master Course...and it's a DVD set, not a software application.

February 9th, 2006, 12:30 PM	#3
Joey Dee Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London, UK Posts: 76	ahh yes a DVD.. sorry about that.. they seem amazingggggg... So I take it that Hollywood Camera Work have a positive feedback...

February 10th, 2006, 03:43 AM	#4
Shawn Murphy Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Seattle WA USA Posts: 125	I own it, it's amazing! I'm actually studying the entire set with some friends, we meet each week to watch it and discuss (there's a lot of information and you could easily watch the entire set several times over and over before you could possibly remember everything!). keep in mind that this is explicitly about blocking/camera moves. Here's a great review: http://www.dvxuser.com/articles/hollywood/ ~Shawn

February 13th, 2006, 08:09 PM	#5
Joey Dee Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London, UK Posts: 76	Shawn, That's fantastic.... I've seen the samples on the site and found them to be extremely helpful they were just so intersting to watch. Its very rare to find some good content compiled with visual guidance such as this. "keep in mind that this is explicitly about blocking/camera moves." What do you mean by blocking??? meaning blocking the camera from being noticed while filming??? View this image http://www.dvxuser.com/articles/hollywood/image006.jpg The line going from the middle of each characters to the other is symbolizes what? Im not to sure why there is 8 cameras as well :< Joey :)~

February 13th, 2006, 08:33 PM	#6
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	Joey, Blocking refers to the positioning and movement of the talent and camera. The "eight cameras" are the different camera positions suggested to cover the scene.

February 13th, 2006, 08:34 PM	#7
Shawn Murphy Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Seattle WA USA Posts: 125	Emre got it covered, just as I was hitting send (but his post is much more succinct!) ;-) Blocking basically refers to the planning of the camera placement in relation to the actors movements and any other required elements/objects in a scene. From the web/Google query: "Blocking a shot (or scene) the process of figuring out where the camera goes, how the lights will be arranged, and what the actors' positions and movements - moment by moment - are for each shot or take; often, the specific staging of a film's movements are worked out by the director, often with stand-ins and the lighting crew before actual shooting" ***************************** ***************************** The lines in the picture represent what is called the 180 line, it's an imaginary line that (as a general rule) a camera normally doesn't cross. This concept is covered in-depth in this video series and it covers exceptions to that "rule" and ways in which you can break that guideline more subtly. ***************************** ******************************* The eight cameras in the picture represent possible camera positions for a given scene, it's not meant to imply that there would be eight cameras going at once (though I've heard of such high numbers in some films, particularly for action sequences).

February 13th, 2006, 08:39 PM	#8
Shawn Murphy Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Seattle WA USA Posts: 125	Do a quick Google search for this term: "180 degree rule" The first five or so links have some great explanations of the concept.

February 14th, 2006, 09:21 AM	#9
Joey Dee Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London, UK Posts: 76	Ahh... THanks Shawn and Emre I know about the 180degree rule I just didnt think to realise that they draw lines my mistake :< I know Ozu the Japanese director always breaks that convention, its actually pretty cool to see a film which breaks the 180 rule cuz it like gets ur attention right away. SO this Hollywood Cinema is deff worth it uhh guys??? Right now Im saving a bit of money here to buy a Canon Xl2 with some accessories and I will get this DVD also... IT would be very interesting to watch these 6 dvds ;) What else can you guys suggest me? SHould i look into a storyboard software or just OLD FASHION paper and pencil even though im a horrible drawer :< Joey :>~