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Old November 15th, 2020, 05:32 PM   #181
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Re: How do you get this type of blue sunlight cinematography?

When the main storyline goes past the point of no return would be a suitable point.

Don't confuse the plot with the story, they're different. The Plot is your "choice of events and their design in time" according to Robert McKee.
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Old November 15th, 2020, 06:30 PM   #182
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Oh okay. Perhaps the acts are seperated by story points and not plot points then.

I suppose the witness being attacked and an attempt made her when she is driven home, would be more of a point of no return though. But that doesn't happen until a little after page 30. Is that bad? There still a other plot points to keep the audience busy that change the course of the plot, prior, they are just not point of no return ones.
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Old November 16th, 2020, 01:19 AM   #183
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People here can't tell, we can't even tell if the rape victim is this witness, since you don't seem to know the difference.
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Old November 16th, 2020, 06:37 AM   #184
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Oh okay. Well perhaps I use the word witness in the wrong way, it's just the prosecutor refers to as a witness in court, but maybe that's the wrong term. Yes she is a victim of the crime.

Well when it comes to subtext in dialogue, it is hard for me to stop it. In this scene here for example, at 0:39 into the scene, where you have police talking over a case, where is the subtext in the dialogue, if I am having trouble spotting it?

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Old November 16th, 2020, 08:02 AM   #185
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Subtext will come across in how the actors deliver the lines and their body language, less in the words themselves. Much of how humans communicate isn't directly from words.

Using the term witness makes the prosecutor come over as a less sympathetic character, I don't know if that's what you intend.
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Old November 16th, 2020, 01:30 PM   #186
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Subtext will come across in how the actors deliver the lines and their body language, less in the words themselves. Much of how humans communicate isn't directly from words.

Using the term witness makes the prosecutor come over as a less sympathetic character, I don't know if that's what you intend.
Oh okay thanks. No I didn't intend that. I'll change it, thanks.

When you say that subtext will come across in the body language a lot more than the words, you said before though that the dialogue was lacking subtext though. So I thought therefore, that it was a problem with the dialogue, rather than the body language, the actors will use?
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Old November 16th, 2020, 02:24 PM   #187
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You can indicate the subtext in the script.

During a directing exercise on a workshop I got the actors to play the scene the opposite way to the words they were saying. It worked very well, the actors enjoyed playing it that way,
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Old November 16th, 2020, 03:10 PM   #188
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Re: How do you get this type of blue sunlight cinematography?

Oh okay, so it's not so much that the dialogue needed subtext necessarily, it's just that I needed to write more subtextual physical action then?
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Old November 16th, 2020, 03:49 PM   #189
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Just hint at it, good actors will automatically provide the sub text with very small hints.
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Old November 17th, 2020, 11:31 AM   #190
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Re: How do you get this type of blue sunlight cinematography?

Oh okay, but is there anything wrong with the dialogue then, or is it just mainly the body language, or lack of action description of?
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Old November 17th, 2020, 12:13 PM   #191
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Re: How do you get this type of blue sunlight cinematography?

The dialogue wasn't sharp and tended towards being expositional.
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Old November 17th, 2020, 12:14 PM   #192
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Oh okay, but since everything they talk about matters in the case later for the pay off, how is expositional, if it matters for later?
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Old November 17th, 2020, 03:02 PM   #193
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Re: How do you get this type of blue sunlight cinematography?

You want to reveal the exposition in the dramatic manner. Hiding it is a key skill required by a script writer.
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Old November 17th, 2020, 03:15 PM   #194
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Oh okay so having the police and prosecutors talk about the plot points or is not dramatic enough?
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Old November 17th, 2020, 04:58 PM   #195
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No, this why writers have power struggles and various other sub plots going on.
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