Would using a star filter for cinematography be too weird?

[Ryan Elder]

Oh, sorry I don't mean to be exhausting.

As for copying and pasting from high budget movies, I thought that the shots I wanted I could do on lower budgets, since all the shots are camera movement, but at ground level, and the movements are not too huge, or so I thought.

[Brian Drysdale]

The shot from "Schindler's List" isn't simple, it may look it, but there's a number of things that have to done to pull it off.

[Ryan Elder]

Okay then. Well as long as I can afford the equipment to do these types of shots...

[Pete Cofrancesco]

This seems to always go back to you trying to re-engineer how to film what you see in commercial movies.

Remember your "Crash Zoom" thread that went on for months? Trying to pull off a technique with a fly by wire lens and people recommending you either not do it or to get a proper cinema lens. Followed by what lens you could afford, renting, or buy an older photo lens lens... Was it possible to rack focus with a fly by wire lens? What was the end result of that? Did you ever get the proper lens to film the scene?

That crash zoom conversation in many ways similar to this one.

[Josh Bass]

I think that shot was for the cop feature he plans to make.

[Pete Cofrancesco]

Originally Posted by Josh Bass

I think that shot was for the cop feature he plans to make.

My god how many of these "movies" does he have in the works? I keep getting fooled into thinking these are real world questions based on scenes he's getting ready to film in the up coming weeks. Not hypothetical screen plays that some day he hopes to produce. Madness!

[Josh Bass]

actually I think only two...cop feature he plans to direct and the one he is about to co-direct with someone else.

I think all the questions are about those two.

[Brian Drysdale]

It all has a touch of fantasy film making. There's little point in going into lots of shot details unless you've got the funds in place.

The "Schindler's List" shot probably used a hot head mounted on the jib on a dolly. a cheaper alternative would be something like a Jimmy jib.

[Ryan Elder]

Originally Posted by Josh Bass

actually I think only two...cop feature he plans to direct and the one he is about to co-direct with someone else.

I think all the questions are about those two.

These two, plus the martial arts video right now, yes. But If I get equipment for the martial arts video, I figure I might as well get the equipment I will get the most use out of, for other projects I have in mind as well.

[Josh Bass]

Originally Posted by Brian Drysdale

It all has a touch of fantasy film making. There's little point in going into lots of shot details unless you've got the funds in place.

The "Schindler's List" shot probably used a hot head mounted on the jib on a dolly. a cheaper alternative would be something like a Jimmy jib.

He’s stated he cant make a budget without knowing the gear he needs for all these shots.

[Pete Cofrancesco]

Originally Posted by Josh Bass

actually I think only two...cop feature he plans to direct and the one he is about to co-direct with someone else.

I think all the questions are about those two.

I've never made a feature film, but does asking question of this level of detail, years in advance make sense? I can't imagine someone directing a feature film with these type of questions.

[Josh Bass]

We've all said that but again I point you back to him stating he can't make a budget without knowing the gear he needs which leads to him asking about how to get all these shots.

[Ryan Elder]

Oh well I was having trouble budgeting the equipment side of it, without knowing what I needed for some shots first, but am I budgeting the wrong way then?

[Pete Cofrancesco]

Originally Posted by Josh Bass

We've all said that but again I point you back to him stating he can't make a budget without knowing the gear he needs which leads to him asking about how to get all these shots.

The analogy I would make, if I wanted to build my own house but I have no experience. I draw up a blue print, then ask questions on a message board what tools are need to build such a house, buy or rent the tools, then place an ad to hire people to use these tools. Given the cost, complexity of such a project and my lack of experience seems like a recipe for failure.

The equipment to make a budget film is quite simple: Camera, Tripod, Boom mic, and Lights. But as soon as you go beyond that it becomes a lot more complex and expensive with specialist who know what they're doing. I can't imagine buying any of this specialized equipment would make sense. That would then mean renting equipment that you have no experience using? Seems like one problem leads you to the next problem...

[Ryan Elder]

Okay so analogy wise should I then hire someone else to build the house, in this case the DP, and then decide on the budget for the equipment after the DP is hired?