Deinterlacing at DVinfo.net

Riley Harmon · January 29th, 2005, 02:50 PM

I know that this has probably been answered, but I figured we could make this post a place for everyone to place their best methods and experiences with deinterlacing. Anyone know a way to go from 30i to 24p as fast and as good of results as DVfilm? I don't have $150 bucks for it :-/

Jed Williamson · January 29th, 2005, 07:36 PM

Since you already have After Effects (listed in your profile), try this method:

http://www.dvinfo.net/articles/filmlook/broadway1.php

Kin Kwan · February 4th, 2005, 03:53 PM

There's a bunch of deinterlacers out there for AVIsynth that deinterlaces just as good as DVFilm Maker. AVIsynth is a frameserver program with a lot of filters that you might find in professional products and it's free!

I've tried the After Effects method to deinterlace but personally I don't think it looks that good compared to other methods.

Josh Barker · February 25th, 2005, 12:18 PM

I agree with Kin Kwan. Try the following filters to deinterlace for AVISynth:

MVBob() - GREAT quality! Just takes a while to render, this is a motion compensated deinterlacer to deinterlace 60i to 60p.

TDeint() - This is a deinterlacer I use, it is great for deinterlacing at higher speeds and still yields great quality. MVBob() uses this deinterlacer as a base deinterlacing method.

Bob Benkosky · March 6th, 2005, 06:01 PM

Procoder 2 has a very nice de-interlacer. It's fast too.

It's adaptive, meaning I think it searches for only movement.

Fast and top quality. Their DV encoder is awesome too.

Johan Manders · March 7th, 2005, 04:39 AM

Procoder 2 supports 1080i.
Can MVBob() and TDeint() also use the Z1 footage?

Bob Benkosky · March 7th, 2005, 08:25 AM

It says nothing about 24p though. Unless you manually change the frame rate to 23.976 somewhere.

John McManimie · March 7th, 2005, 12:27 PM

>> "It says nothing about 24p though. Unless you manually change the frame rate to 23.976 somewhere."

You can create your own target presets in Procoder. For instance, I created a preset under the System section for output to QuickTime using the BlackMagic codec (which I installed separately) in which I set the frame rate to "23.976" and interlacing to "Non-Interlaced (Progressive)". The same options are not available for every target type.

If creating an MPEG2 file using the standard Procoder presets, you can change the framerate to use 3:2 pulldown (providing the source is progressive) and then create a 24P DVD that plays at 23.976 on a computer or progressive scan monitor and at 29.97 on a standard television.

Procoder is really quite a versatile program (though I personally use DVFilm Maker for deinterlacing because I like the options it offers).

John

Kyle Edwards · March 7th, 2005, 08:05 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Johan Manders : Procoder 2 supports 1080i.
Can MVBob() and TDeint() also use the Z1 footage? -->>>

AVISynth isn't resolution or file dependant. You can import any type of file you want into it and use the same filters. Only downside would be some filters only support certain color spaces.

Personally I use FieldDeinterlace.

Kin Kwan · March 14th, 2005, 01:04 PM

Not only does it deinterlace well, Avisynth has an anti-aliasing filter that you can use to remove the jaggies caused by deinterlacing. :]

KiN

Jonathon Wilson · March 14th, 2005, 05:10 PM

Another avisynth vote here. The fact that there are lots of different deinterlacers gives you freedom to try different things in different situations. They are all (mostly) tweakable through their parameters allowing further situation-specific work.

I tried a ton and still prefer TDeint() followed by TDIsophate() (which is the 'jaggies remover') mentioned here. I also use the MV stuff for going from 60i/60p down to 24p with fairly realistic motion blur.

Avisynth rules.

It does have a bit of a learning curve though. No GUI. Script only.

Josh Barker · March 22nd, 2005, 11:50 PM

Jonathon,

Can you direct me to where I can see this TDIsophate()?

Thanks,
Josh

Jonathon Wilson · March 23rd, 2005, 02:45 AM

Well, I was off by a letter or two...

http://bengal.missouri.edu/~kes25c/

The filter's name is: "TIsophote"

After a deinterlace (with something like his TDeint), you can still be left with 'jaggies' sometimes. The TIsophote filter seeks them out and smooths them out. It's fairly customizable and can be slow at times. For certain things its too harsh and I've heard that using a filter called Sangom can offer softer de-jaggifying... you'll have to dig to find it, but it seems to be quite popular.

By the way, Tritical's EDIUpsizer and FastEDIUpsizer on the same page are very nice edge-directed-interpolation upsizers. If you need to blow some things up, these are the best I've found. Sloooooooow...... but worth it :)

Kin Kwan · April 3rd, 2005, 12:00 PM

Riley Harmon · April 3rd, 2005, 01:23 PM

im going to guess a panasonic...like a pvdv953 or mx300

January 29th, 2005, 02:50 PM	#1
Riley Harmon Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 424	Deinterlacing I know that this has probably been answered, but I figured we could make this post a place for everyone to place their best methods and experiences with deinterlacing. Anyone know a way to go from 30i to 24p as fast and as good of results as DVfilm? I don't have $150 bucks for it :-/

February 4th, 2005, 03:53 PM	#3
Kin Kwan Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 120	AVIsynth There's a bunch of deinterlacers out there for AVIsynth that deinterlaces just as good as DVFilm Maker. AVIsynth is a frameserver program with a lot of filters that you might find in professional products and it's free! I've tried the After Effects method to deinterlace but personally I don't think it looks that good compared to other methods.

March 6th, 2005, 06:01 PM	#5
Bob Benkosky Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lake Park, Florida Posts: 202	Procoder 2 has a very nice de-interlacer. It's fast too. It's adaptive, meaning I think it searches for only movement. Fast and top quality. Their DV encoder is awesome too. __________________ http://www.veoh.com/channels/filmmaker My clips and films.

March 7th, 2005, 08:25 AM	#7
Bob Benkosky Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lake Park, Florida Posts: 202	It says nothing about 24p though. Unless you manually change the frame rate to 23.976 somewhere. __________________ http://www.veoh.com/channels/filmmaker My clips and films.

April 3rd, 2005, 12:00 PM	#14
Kin Kwan Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 120	Samples Here's some frames from a project I've been working on that's deinterlaced, cleaned, and anti-aliasied with AviSynth. http://www.eternalabyss.com/images/k...nterlace01.jpg http://www.eternalabyss.com/images/k...nterlace02.jpg http://www.eternalabyss.com/images/k...nterlace03.jpg http://www.eternalabyss.com/images/k...nterlace04.jpg http://www.eternalabyss.com/images/k...nterlace05.jpg http://www.eternalabyss.com/images/k...nterlace06.jpg http://www.eternalabyss.com/images/k...nterlace07.jpg http://www.eternalabyss.com/images/k...nterlace08.jpg See if you can guess what camcorder I used. :]

January 29th, 2005, 07:36 PM	#2
Jed Williamson Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 175	Since you already have After Effects (listed in your profile), try this method: http://www.dvinfo.net/articles/filmlook/broadway1.php

February 25th, 2005, 12:18 PM	#4
Josh Barker New Boot Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 23	I agree with Kin Kwan. Try the following filters to deinterlace for AVISynth: MVBob() - GREAT quality! Just takes a while to render, this is a motion compensated deinterlacer to deinterlace 60i to 60p. TDeint() - This is a deinterlacer I use, it is great for deinterlacing at higher speeds and still yields great quality. MVBob() uses this deinterlacer as a base deinterlacing method.

March 7th, 2005, 04:39 AM	#6
Johan Manders Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 50	Procoder 2 supports 1080i. Can MVBob() and TDeint() also use the Z1 footage?

March 7th, 2005, 12:27 PM	#8
John McManimie Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 314	>> "It says nothing about 24p though. Unless you manually change the frame rate to 23.976 somewhere." You can create your own target presets in Procoder. For instance, I created a preset under the System section for output to QuickTime using the BlackMagic codec (which I installed separately) in which I set the frame rate to "23.976" and interlacing to "Non-Interlaced (Progressive)". The same options are not available for every target type. If creating an MPEG2 file using the standard Procoder presets, you can change the framerate to use 3:2 pulldown (providing the source is progressive) and then create a 24P DVD that plays at 23.976 on a computer or progressive scan monitor and at 29.97 on a standard television. Procoder is really quite a versatile program (though I personally use DVFilm Maker for deinterlacing because I like the options it offers). John

March 7th, 2005, 08:05 PM	#9
Kyle Edwards Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: LI, NY Posts: 274	<<<-- Originally posted by Johan Manders : Procoder 2 supports 1080i. Can MVBob() and TDeint() also use the Z1 footage? -->>> AVISynth isn't resolution or file dependant. You can import any type of file you want into it and use the same filters. Only downside would be some filters only support certain color spaces. Personally I use FieldDeinterlace.

March 14th, 2005, 01:04 PM	#10
Kin Kwan Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 120	Not only does it deinterlace well, Avisynth has an anti-aliasing filter that you can use to remove the jaggies caused by deinterlacing. :] KiN

March 14th, 2005, 05:10 PM	#11
Jonathon Wilson Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 182	Another avisynth vote here. The fact that there are lots of different deinterlacers gives you freedom to try different things in different situations. They are all (mostly) tweakable through their parameters allowing further situation-specific work. I tried a ton and still prefer TDeint() followed by TDIsophate() (which is the 'jaggies remover') mentioned here. I also use the MV stuff for going from 60i/60p down to 24p with fairly realistic motion blur. Avisynth rules. It does have a bit of a learning curve though. No GUI. Script only.

March 22nd, 2005, 11:50 PM	#12
Josh Barker New Boot Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 23	Jonathon, Can you direct me to where I can see this TDIsophate()? Thanks, Josh

March 23rd, 2005, 02:45 AM	#13
Jonathon Wilson Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 182	Well, I was off by a letter or two... http://bengal.missouri.edu/~kes25c/ The filter's name is: "TIsophote" After a deinterlace (with something like his TDeint), you can still be left with 'jaggies' sometimes. The TIsophote filter seeks them out and smooths them out. It's fairly customizable and can be slow at times. For certain things its too harsh and I've heard that using a filter called Sangom can offer softer de-jaggifying... you'll have to dig to find it, but it seems to be quite popular. By the way, Tritical's EDIUpsizer and FastEDIUpsizer on the same page are very nice edge-directed-interpolation upsizers. If you need to blow some things up, these are the best I've found. Sloooooooow...... but worth it :)

April 3rd, 2005, 01:23 PM	#15
Riley Harmon Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 424	im going to guess a panasonic...like a pvdv953 or mx300