how to get superslomotion in hollywood movies?

Josh Caldwell · November 4th, 2004, 10:14 PM

Oh yea. I'm working on 24p project right now. As long as you use the same "cine" settings it'll be the same.

Think of this like film. Usually film is shot at 24fps. When you slowmo it you change the frame rate, say 150fps. It's not the same think but it looks right because everything else (lighting, colors, blacks, highlights) look the same.

Same with video. You're changing the motion of the video by "creating" more frames in post. So it's not 24p because you're adding more frames. But if everything else is the same (those things mentioned above) it'll fit.

Jose di Cani · November 5th, 2004, 04:53 PM

but watch out to NOT use fast moving objects!!! it works if you have for instance a person with yellow shirt and blue jeans and a colourfull background. If the movie has like 1000000 ants walking bye, then it is time to save 100000 dollars to rent a special camera who can do what you heart wants you to do.

BUt everything is posible in pc world! Evrything.

Jose di Cani · November 5th, 2004, 04:56 PM

By the way, The dynapel software is really unstable and gives me error most of the time. Good idea but you need to be a expert to use that program the good way. A little bit more programming spend on it and I would love it. BUt now..grrr... error after error.

Barry Green · November 5th, 2004, 08:51 PM

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Originally posted by John Hudson : Barry

Have you seen how this can blend with 24p? Is it something that can be meshed together?

Examples are on the new DVD. It blends very nicely, but the 60i slowmo stuff is noticeably softer in resolution. Everything else is the same though. The motion is very smooth.

Dennis Hingsberg · November 8th, 2004, 09:38 PM

For DV, you can also use Twixter plugin for After Effects which will do the same thing as Dynapel.

Sean McHenry · November 23rd, 2004, 07:57 AM

I admit I didn't read the entire thread but, here goes...

If you have a camera that will do 60p, you could effectivly slow down 60p footage to be 24p and that would give you about 60% reduction in speed (time) in that footage.

This may be the slo-mo from the XL2 the other poster was mentioning. You would naturally apply a "speed" or "%" effect in the timeline like in Premiere or Avid. To hit 24p exactly (math is not my strong suit) I think you would need to set the speed at .4 or 40% ?

I think that's correct.

Sean McHenry

Rob Lohman · November 23rd, 2004, 08:07 AM

There is no con-/pro-sumer camera that has 60p. All those camera's
have 60i (interlaced!). And in my opinion this would be better to
use indeed to go to 30p slowmotion (perhaps even 24p with the
right tools).

Sean McHenry · December 1st, 2004, 12:33 PM

Rob is correct. I have our demo XL2 on my desk and it is sadly only 60i, not 60p. Sort of a shame really. Would have been a nice feature.

Sean

Dmitry Kichenko · December 19th, 2004, 01:14 AM

Doh.. How about that AJ-HDC27F Panasonic camera for $65 grand? It does deliver 60p. Oh, and it's even HD. :D

Scott Anderson · December 19th, 2004, 09:34 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Rob Lohman : There is no con-/pro-sumer camera that has 60p. All those camera's
have 60i (interlaced!). And in my opinion this would be better to
use indeed to go to 30p slowmotion (perhaps even 24p with the
right tools). -->>>

How about the JVC HD-1/HD-10? It has a SD 60p mode. Those frames could be transcoded from MPEG-2 to DV using Vegas or the other freeware tools out there, giving you a TRUE 60fps (50%) slo-mo. If you combined this with a software tool like twixtor, I'd bet you could even get a decent 25% slo-mo without loosing too much quality. Has anybody tried this? I would have thought the JVC cam would be very popular for sports footage because of this very feature.

Rob Lohman · December 21st, 2004, 07:26 AM

It would certainly be quite interesting if it does this indeed, however
I haven't heard of anyone here yet who has done that. Would be
neat to hear from someone who tried it!

Dmitry Kichenko · December 21st, 2004, 01:18 PM

There's also this After FX plug-in called RealViz Retimer. Uses the morphing technology but honestly - what Premiere Pro generates when decreasing the speed of a clip looks better than that of Retimer :). Maybe I've been using the plug-in demo wrong, let me try ..

Dave Livingston · December 21st, 2004, 07:06 PM

Anyone remember those slo mo scenes in the Six Million Dollar Man?

Dmitry Kichenko · December 21st, 2004, 08:17 PM

If that footage with Britney and a snake (I wish it'd bite her) is considered super slow mo, then what do you call the slow-mo in the beginning of Lock, Stock and 2 Smoking Barrels. That's like super mega giga slow mo, or something :). I wonder what framerate Guy Ritchie's camera was shooting at

Brandon Greenlee · December 21st, 2004, 09:26 PM

Has anybody had a good experience with this dynapel software?

Its only $26.00 so it sounds very tempting plus the two test shots looked very nice.

Is this going to give me a better looking slowmo than just premiere pro 1.5?

November 8th, 2004, 09:38 PM	#20
Dennis Hingsberg Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,055	For DV, you can also use Twixter plugin for After Effects which will do the same thing as Dynapel. __________________ Blog: www.hingsberg.com Ultimate Exposure Guides for FS5/F7S/F5/F55

November 23rd, 2004, 07:57 AM	#21
Sean McHenry Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hilliard, Ohio Posts: 1,193	I admit I didn't read the entire thread but, here goes... If you have a camera that will do 60p, you could effectivly slow down 60p footage to be 24p and that would give you about 60% reduction in speed (time) in that footage. This may be the slo-mo from the XL2 the other poster was mentioning. You would naturally apply a "speed" or "%" effect in the timeline like in Premiere or Avid. To hit 24p exactly (math is not my strong suit) I think you would need to set the speed at .4 or 40% ? I think that's correct. Sean McHenry __________________ ‘I don’t know what I’m doing, and I’m shooting on D.V.’ - my hero - David Lynch http://www.DeepBlueEdit.com

November 23rd, 2004, 08:07 AM	#22
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	There is no con-/pro-sumer camera that has 60p. All those camera's have 60i (interlaced!). And in my opinion this would be better to use indeed to go to 30p slowmotion (perhaps even 24p with the right tools). __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

December 1st, 2004, 12:33 PM	#23
Sean McHenry Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hilliard, Ohio Posts: 1,193	Rob is correct. I have our demo XL2 on my desk and it is sadly only 60i, not 60p. Sort of a shame really. Would have been a nice feature. Sean __________________ ‘I don’t know what I’m doing, and I’m shooting on D.V.’ - my hero - David Lynch http://www.DeepBlueEdit.com

December 21st, 2004, 07:26 AM	#26
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	It would certainly be quite interesting if it does this indeed, however I haven't heard of anyone here yet who has done that. Would be neat to hear from someone who tried it! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

November 4th, 2004, 10:14 PM	#16
Josh Caldwell Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 183	Oh yea. I'm working on 24p project right now. As long as you use the same "cine" settings it'll be the same. Think of this like film. Usually film is shot at 24fps. When you slowmo it you change the frame rate, say 150fps. It's not the same think but it looks right because everything else (lighting, colors, blacks, highlights) look the same. Same with video. You're changing the motion of the video by "creating" more frames in post. So it's not 24p because you're adding more frames. But if everything else is the same (those things mentioned above) it'll fit.

November 5th, 2004, 04:53 PM	#17
Jose di Cani Major Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Holland, Europe Posts: 214	but watch out to NOT use fast moving objects!!! it works if you have for instance a person with yellow shirt and blue jeans and a colourfull background. If the movie has like 1000000 ants walking bye, then it is time to save 100000 dollars to rent a special camera who can do what you heart wants you to do. BUt everything is posible in pc world! Evrything.

November 5th, 2004, 04:56 PM	#18
Jose di Cani Major Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Holland, Europe Posts: 214	By the way, The dynapel software is really unstable and gives me error most of the time. Good idea but you need to be a expert to use that program the good way. A little bit more programming spend on it and I would love it. BUt now..grrr... error after error.

December 19th, 2004, 01:14 AM	#24
Dmitry Kichenko Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 74	Doh.. How about that AJ-HDC27F Panasonic camera for $65 grand? It does deliver 60p. Oh, and it's even HD. :D

December 19th, 2004, 09:34 AM	#25
Scott Anderson Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 327	<<<-- Originally posted by Rob Lohman : There is no con-/pro-sumer camera that has 60p. All those camera's have 60i (interlaced!). And in my opinion this would be better to use indeed to go to 30p slowmotion (perhaps even 24p with the right tools). -->>> How about the JVC HD-1/HD-10? It has a SD 60p mode. Those frames could be transcoded from MPEG-2 to DV using Vegas or the other freeware tools out there, giving you a TRUE 60fps (50%) slo-mo. If you combined this with a software tool like twixtor, I'd bet you could even get a decent 25% slo-mo without loosing too much quality. Has anybody tried this? I would have thought the JVC cam would be very popular for sports footage because of this very feature.

December 21st, 2004, 01:18 PM	#27
Dmitry Kichenko Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 74	There's also this After FX plug-in called RealViz Retimer. Uses the morphing technology but honestly - what Premiere Pro generates when decreasing the speed of a clip looks better than that of Retimer :). Maybe I've been using the plug-in demo wrong, let me try ..

December 21st, 2004, 07:06 PM	#28
Dave Livingston New Boot Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oklahoma City Posts: 9	Anyone remember those slo mo scenes in the Six Million Dollar Man? __________________ Western Action Shooting Videos www.DaveL111.Neptune.com

December 21st, 2004, 08:17 PM	#29
Dmitry Kichenko Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 74	If that footage with Britney and a snake (I wish it'd bite her) is considered super slow mo, then what do you call the slow-mo in the beginning of Lock, Stock and 2 Smoking Barrels. That's like super mega giga slow mo, or something :). I wonder what framerate Guy Ritchie's camera was shooting at

December 21st, 2004, 09:26 PM	#30
Brandon Greenlee Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: North Alabama Posts: 242	Has anybody had a good experience with this dynapel software? Its only $26.00 so it sounds very tempting plus the two test shots looked very nice. Is this going to give me a better looking slowmo than just premiere pro 1.5?