Anyone have any downloadable "film looked" video they've done (In mpg2 or such)

Dave Largent · December 1st, 2003, 08:18 PM

And would you say deinterlacing is required?

Agus Casse · December 1st, 2003, 08:21 PM

OF course !, De-interlacing had to be done always to get filmlook, you dont see any films with interlacing, right ?

Aaron Koolen · December 1st, 2003, 09:11 PM

I second the deinterlacing comment. I've been having "film look" <shudder> issues and deinterlacing is probably one of the biggest first steps you can make

Aaron

Dave Largent · December 1st, 2003, 09:19 PM

And what about the loss in resolution and the loss in contrast from the deinterlacing?

Graeme Nattress · December 2nd, 2003, 05:16 AM

Why are you suffering loss of contrast from a de-interlace? A de-interlacer should not alter the colour or the tonal range of an image - if it is, then it's broken an you need to find a compatent de-interlacer!

Also, a good de-interlacer should only loose you some resolution on areas of the screen that move - areas that are not moving should retain full resolution. It will be very hard for you to see any resolution losses in the moving areas unless you pause the tape.

Also, for a film look, de-interlace will only work if you're in PAL where film is transferred to video on a frame matching basis. For NTSC you have to get to 24 frames from your 60i somehow - wether the camera does it (DVX-1000) or you do it in software. De-interlace is part of the software 24p process, but not the entire part. Just de-interlacing will give you 30p which looks somewhat, but not entirely like film motion.

Graeme

Dave Largent · December 2nd, 2003, 06:29 AM

What would be some good deinterlacers that you could recommend?

Graeme Nattress · December 2nd, 2003, 07:18 AM

I can recommend my own if you're an FCP user, along with Matt's Too Much Too Soon, and Joe's FCP plugins. All work well, are fast and of high quality.

For cross-platform solutions:

DV film maker is quite fast, but quite expensive for a one trick pony.

Fields Kit seems very good,

Magic Bullet is very, very expensive for what it does,

I've seen quite a few reviews on de-interlacers on other threads on this forum which will be able to give you much more PC info than I can.

I can only help you because I've written a number of de-interlacers using all kinds of algorithms, hence know how they work and what they do.

Graeme

Rob Lohman · December 2nd, 2003, 07:29 PM

Aaron, what did you think of my color correction job on my
episode of Lady X? It looked quite nice on my TV set here at
home.

You can download a higher resolution SVCD (mpeg2) version
(which is PAL! 480x576 at 25 fps) from here (89 MB)

Justin Kohli · September 10th, 2005, 09:07 PM

So 75% of this thread is about deinterlacing.

Has anyone ever come across a comparison of the same scene recored in film then DV, with shots/clips available - not just one format?

December 1st, 2003, 09:11 PM	#33
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	I second the deinterlacing comment. I've been having "film look" <shudder> issues and deinterlacing is probably one of the biggest first steps you can make Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

December 2nd, 2003, 05:16 AM	#35
Graeme Nattress RED Problem Solver Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,365	Why are you suffering loss of contrast from a de-interlace? A de-interlacer should not alter the colour or the tonal range of an image - if it is, then it's broken an you need to find a compatent de-interlacer! Also, a good de-interlacer should only loose you some resolution on areas of the screen that move - areas that are not moving should retain full resolution. It will be very hard for you to see any resolution losses in the moving areas unless you pause the tape. Also, for a film look, de-interlace will only work if you're in PAL where film is transferred to video on a frame matching basis. For NTSC you have to get to 24 frames from your 60i somehow - wether the camera does it (DVX-1000) or you do it in software. De-interlace is part of the software 24p process, but not the entire part. Just de-interlacing will give you 30p which looks somewhat, but not entirely like film motion. Graeme __________________ www.nattress.com - filters for FCP

December 2nd, 2003, 07:18 AM	#37
Graeme Nattress RED Problem Solver Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,365	I can recommend my own if you're an FCP user, along with Matt's Too Much Too Soon, and Joe's FCP plugins. All work well, are fast and of high quality. For cross-platform solutions: DV film maker is quite fast, but quite expensive for a one trick pony. Fields Kit seems very good, Magic Bullet is very, very expensive for what it does, I've seen quite a few reviews on de-interlacers on other threads on this forum which will be able to give you much more PC info than I can. I can only help you because I've written a number of de-interlacers using all kinds of algorithms, hence know how they work and what they do. Graeme __________________ www.nattress.com - filters for FCP

December 2nd, 2003, 07:29 PM	#38
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Aaron, what did you think of my color correction job on my episode of Lady X? It looked quite nice on my TV set here at home. You can download a higher resolution SVCD (mpeg2) version (which is PAL! 480x576 at 25 fps) from here (89 MB) __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 10th, 2005, 09:07 PM	#39
Justin Kohli Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Appleton, WI, USA Posts: 77	So 75% of this thread is about deinterlacing. Has anyone ever come across a comparison of the same scene recored in film then DV, with shots/clips available - not just one format? __________________ Album Journal: http://carbonflaw.blogspot.com DV Blog: http://24-fps.blogspot.com Music & Media Label: phait-accompli.com Thoughts & Philosophies: http://jkohli.blogspot.com "The most important thing is to enjoy life, to be happy, that's all that matters." --Audrey Hepburn

December 1st, 2003, 08:18 PM	#31
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	And would you say deinterlacing is required?

December 1st, 2003, 08:21 PM	#32
Agus Casse Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Guatemala Posts: 322	OF course !, De-interlacing had to be done always to get filmlook, you dont see any films with interlacing, right ?

December 1st, 2003, 09:19 PM	#34
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	And what about the loss in resolution and the loss in contrast from the deinterlacing?

December 2nd, 2003, 06:29 AM	#36
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	What would be some good deinterlacers that you could recommend?