Anyone have any downloadable "film looked" video they've done (In mpg2 or such)

Graeme Nattress · November 26th, 2003, 03:22 PM

I'm only developing for Final Cut Pro at the moment. It would take more resources than I can muster (day job and all) to look beyond that at the moment, and quite frankly, I'm developing for myself first and foremost. Most of the filters I've written are because I wanted them for my own projects. I wanted a decent film look but thought that the Magic Bullet was way over-priced for what it did. I wanted a standards conversion that fitted in with my workflow, so that meant not leaving FCP.

Graeme

Dennis Hingsberg · November 26th, 2003, 03:31 PM

Man, I could talk to you all day about filters and post prod effects!!! What do you think about Synthetic Aperature's "Color Finese" and Grain Surgery? I'm looking for something similar to tweak color and remove grain to go along with my mini35 services that I'm offering. The images on my site look great, but under less ideal conditions it will probably be necessary that I perform more correction in post.

You've really been a blast to talk with, it's great that you've developed your own tools for your own purpose.

Keep in touch, maybe we'll collaborate on a future project!

Aaron Koolen · November 26th, 2003, 04:32 PM

Dennis, what deinterlacing software would you recommend? VirtualDub's filters are free and they seem pretty good, but DVFilm Maker seems to be one of the highly recommended ones.

Cheers
Aaron

Joe Ryan · November 26th, 2003, 05:38 PM

thanks for the reply dennis, and the thread ( so much to learn, so many options/ decisions ) also e-mailed you at star, looking forward to your reply.

Dennis Hingsberg · November 26th, 2003, 06:47 PM

Aaron - I like Cinemotion but it works as a plug in to Adobe After Effects so you need time to understand all the settings and field options, otherwise your footage will look worse. Quality-wise I think DV film is as good if not better than Cinemotion and the best part of all is it is a stand alone program. You just drag and drop your AVI file to it and let it render to another AVI file. That is the cool part.

Dave Largent · November 29th, 2003, 12:33 PM

Aaron, just wanted to say you're not alone. I've deinterlaced in Vegas and the footage looks washed out, with a significant loss
of resolution. It doesn't look like film at all; it looks like bad video.
Would DVFilm Maker be any better? After all, isn't it just doing the
same thing my NLE is doing? What's the advantage to that program?

Graeme Nattress · November 29th, 2003, 12:39 PM

There are many different ways of de-interlacing, and each program uses it's own.

A de-interlace should never alter the colour or tonal balance of an image. If it's doing this then it's broken.

A de-interlacer will reduce resolution. A normal de-interlacer which duplicates fields will loose half of the vertical resolution over the entire image.

If it uses blending it will reduce the resultion, but by a lesser amount, and again it will be over the entire image.

A smart de-interlacer will leave the vast bulk of the image alone, retaining full resolution over most of the image. Only in areas of visible interlacing or movement will it reduce the resolution, and ony by a small amount if the algorithm is well written.

Smart de-interlacing looks great, but will take a little longer to compute.

Graeme

Dave Largent · November 29th, 2003, 01:14 PM

I think, though not sure, that Vegas just offers blend and interpolate. Does DVFilm Maker offer smart deinterlacing?

Graeme Nattress · November 29th, 2003, 01:21 PM

I think DV film Maker is a smart de-interlacer.

Graeme

Aaron Koolen · November 29th, 2003, 04:38 PM

Yeah DVFilm Maker is a smart deinterlacer. I've tried the Smooth deinterlacer plugin for virtualdub and it's not too bad, and free compared to DVFilm. I'll do a couple more tests and if I think DV is better I'll just buy it.

One thing I've noticed though, there is a definate contrast change after a deinterlacer has had it's hands on the footage. Well at least on the ones I've used. DVFilm, Smooth Deinterlacer etc.

Cheers guys
Aaron

Agus Casse · December 1st, 2003, 05:14 PM

Here, there is a sample using my homemade 35mm system, and magic bullet and look suite.

http://altoque.tv/35mmAdapter/moto35mmfilmtest2.mov

Aaron Koolen · December 1st, 2003, 05:18 PM

Thanks Agus. Can't wait to get home and look at it on a tele.

Thanks
Aaron

Agus Casse · December 1st, 2003, 05:20 PM

i dont have the webpage space, but i can upload it at higher res to where and ever format you would like it

Dave Largent · December 1st, 2003, 05:51 PM

Thanks, Agus. Nice clip. So in 100 words or less, what's the secret? Help all us out who can't get nowhere the way we're doing it. What would you recommend for a person who doesn't have Magic Bullet?

Agus Casse · December 1st, 2003, 06:00 PM

1. Levels set it to 1.2
2. Curves, make a S type
3. Desaturate
4. Curves, pull down a little the Blue one...

I am making a new video without magic bullet too show you can get almost same look.

November 26th, 2003, 03:22 PM	#16
Graeme Nattress RED Problem Solver Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,365	I'm only developing for Final Cut Pro at the moment. It would take more resources than I can muster (day job and all) to look beyond that at the moment, and quite frankly, I'm developing for myself first and foremost. Most of the filters I've written are because I wanted them for my own projects. I wanted a decent film look but thought that the Magic Bullet was way over-priced for what it did. I wanted a standards conversion that fitted in with my workflow, so that meant not leaving FCP. Graeme __________________ www.nattress.com - filters for FCP

November 26th, 2003, 03:31 PM	#17
Dennis Hingsberg Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,055	Man, I could talk to you all day about filters and post prod effects!!! What do you think about Synthetic Aperature's "Color Finese" and Grain Surgery? I'm looking for something similar to tweak color and remove grain to go along with my mini35 services that I'm offering. The images on my site look great, but under less ideal conditions it will probably be necessary that I perform more correction in post. You've really been a blast to talk with, it's great that you've developed your own tools for your own purpose. Keep in touch, maybe we'll collaborate on a future project! __________________ Blog: www.hingsberg.com Ultimate Exposure Guides for FS5/F7S/F5/F55

November 26th, 2003, 04:32 PM	#18
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	Dennis, what deinterlacing software would you recommend? VirtualDub's filters are free and they seem pretty good, but DVFilm Maker seems to be one of the highly recommended ones. Cheers Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

November 26th, 2003, 06:47 PM	#20
Dennis Hingsberg Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,055	Aaron - I like Cinemotion but it works as a plug in to Adobe After Effects so you need time to understand all the settings and field options, otherwise your footage will look worse. Quality-wise I think DV film is as good if not better than Cinemotion and the best part of all is it is a stand alone program. You just drag and drop your AVI file to it and let it render to another AVI file. That is the cool part. __________________ Blog: www.hingsberg.com Ultimate Exposure Guides for FS5/F7S/F5/F55

November 29th, 2003, 12:39 PM	#22
Graeme Nattress RED Problem Solver Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,365	There are many different ways of de-interlacing, and each program uses it's own. A de-interlace should never alter the colour or tonal balance of an image. If it's doing this then it's broken. A de-interlacer will reduce resolution. A normal de-interlacer which duplicates fields will loose half of the vertical resolution over the entire image. If it uses blending it will reduce the resultion, but by a lesser amount, and again it will be over the entire image. A smart de-interlacer will leave the vast bulk of the image alone, retaining full resolution over most of the image. Only in areas of visible interlacing or movement will it reduce the resolution, and ony by a small amount if the algorithm is well written. Smart de-interlacing looks great, but will take a little longer to compute. Graeme __________________ www.nattress.com - filters for FCP

November 26th, 2003, 05:38 PM	#19
Joe Ryan Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Calgary, AB, CANADA Posts: 36	thanks for the reply dennis, and the thread ( so much to learn, so many options/ decisions ) also e-mailed you at star, looking forward to your reply.

November 29th, 2003, 12:33 PM	#21
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	Aaron, just wanted to say you're not alone. I've deinterlaced in Vegas and the footage looks washed out, with a significant loss of resolution. It doesn't look like film at all; it looks like bad video. Would DVFilm Maker be any better? After all, isn't it just doing the same thing my NLE is doing? What's the advantage to that program?

November 29th, 2003, 01:14 PM	#23
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	I think, though not sure, that Vegas just offers blend and interpolate. Does DVFilm Maker offer smart deinterlacing?

November 29th, 2003, 01:21 PM	#24
Graeme Nattress RED Problem Solver Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,365	I think DV film Maker is a smart de-interlacer. Graeme __________________ www.nattress.com - filters for FCP

November 29th, 2003, 04:38 PM	#25
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	Yeah DVFilm Maker is a smart deinterlacer. I've tried the Smooth deinterlacer plugin for virtualdub and it's not too bad, and free compared to DVFilm. I'll do a couple more tests and if I think DV is better I'll just buy it. One thing I've noticed though, there is a definate contrast change after a deinterlacer has had it's hands on the footage. Well at least on the ones I've used. DVFilm, Smooth Deinterlacer etc. Cheers guys Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

December 1st, 2003, 05:14 PM	#26
Agus Casse Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Guatemala Posts: 322	Here, there is a sample using my homemade 35mm system, and magic bullet and look suite. http://altoque.tv/35mmAdapter/moto35mmfilmtest2.mov

December 1st, 2003, 05:18 PM	#27
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	Thanks Agus. Can't wait to get home and look at it on a tele. Thanks Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

December 1st, 2003, 05:20 PM	#28
Agus Casse Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Guatemala Posts: 322	i dont have the webpage space, but i can upload it at higher res to where and ever format you would like it

December 1st, 2003, 05:51 PM	#29
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	Thanks, Agus. Nice clip. So in 100 words or less, what's the secret? Help all us out who can't get nowhere the way we're doing it. What would you recommend for a person who doesn't have Magic Bullet?

December 1st, 2003, 06:00 PM	#30
Agus Casse Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Guatemala Posts: 322	1. Levels set it to 1.2 2. Curves, make a S type 3. Desaturate 4. Curves, pull down a little the Blue one... I am making a new video without magic bullet too show you can get almost same look.