Video to Film transfer question at DVinfo.net

Rafal Krolik · November 2nd, 2003, 02:04 PM

I read an article in the recent issue of Movie Maker magazine which states that it is impossible to transfer a video footage to film if the video was shot in 30 fps frame mode. Also it says to keep your shutter no higher than 1/60.
I have a hard time believing that video shot in progressive mode cannot be transfered to film. Can anyone help me understand this one? Thanks in advance.

Frank Granovski · November 2nd, 2003, 03:14 PM

There's also a film look article which covers what to do with DV ---> film transfers at dv.com - every transfer house has a set of guidelines to go with.

Don Donatello · November 2nd, 2003, 04:04 PM

"recent issue of Movie Maker magazine which states that it is impossible to transfer a video footage to film if the video was shot in 30 fps frame mode. Also it says to keep your shutter no higher than 1/60. "

based on above the article is WRONG -
for PAL = no problems ..
for NTSC = problems -it does transfer but not very well ... the more motion/movement in progressive/frame mode the worse the artitacts ( look at movie "somebody" shot NTSC frame mode transferred to 35mm - notice when persons isn't moving much it's OK but when persons moves alot artifact all over the edges) ...
frame mode has a rez loss of approx 25-30% over interlace more compared to PROGRESSIVE ...

anything over 1/60 shutter should be used for EFFECT use ( look at "28 days" where they used hi shutter for effect shot on PAL XL in frame mode)

look for a transfer house that may have written speacial software for 30p ... if one can write software to fill ( create new frames based on frame before and frame after) in frames for bullet, matrix type , slo-mo type effects then one can write software to analyze 30p taken down to 24fps ....

Rafal Krolik · November 2nd, 2003, 10:40 PM

Thanks, I knew there had to be a way since many people out there shoot progressive with cameras such as XL1. Limiting film transfer only to videos done in interlaced mode seemed wrong.

Barry Green · November 3rd, 2003, 01:24 AM

XL1 projects that are transferred to film are originated on PAL cameras, at 25fps. As of the last time I checked, it is basically impossible to get a quality transfer done from material that originated at 30p.

November 2nd, 2003, 02:04 PM	#1
Rafal Krolik Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Milwaukee, Wi Posts: 160	Video to Film transfer question I read an article in the recent issue of Movie Maker magazine which states that it is impossible to transfer a video footage to film if the video was shot in 30 fps frame mode. Also it says to keep your shutter no higher than 1/60. I have a hard time believing that video shot in progressive mode cannot be transfered to film. Can anyone help me understand this one? Thanks in advance.

November 2nd, 2003, 03:14 PM	#2
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	There's also a film look article which covers what to do with DV ---> film transfers at dv.com - every transfer house has a set of guidelines to go with.

November 2nd, 2003, 04:04 PM	#3
Don Donatello Hawaiian Shirt Mogul Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northern cailfornia Posts: 1,261	"recent issue of Movie Maker magazine which states that it is impossible to transfer a video footage to film if the video was shot in 30 fps frame mode. Also it says to keep your shutter no higher than 1/60. " based on above the article is WRONG - for PAL = no problems .. for NTSC = problems -it does transfer but not very well ... the more motion/movement in progressive/frame mode the worse the artitacts ( look at movie "somebody" shot NTSC frame mode transferred to 35mm - notice when persons isn't moving much it's OK but when persons moves alot artifact all over the edges) ... frame mode has a rez loss of approx 25-30% over interlace more compared to PROGRESSIVE ... anything over 1/60 shutter should be used for EFFECT use ( look at "28 days" where they used hi shutter for effect shot on PAL XL in frame mode) look for a transfer house that may have written speacial software for 30p ... if one can write software to fill ( create new frames based on frame before and frame after) in frames for bullet, matrix type , slo-mo type effects then one can write software to analyze 30p taken down to 24fps ....

November 2nd, 2003, 10:40 PM	#4
Rafal Krolik Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Milwaukee, Wi Posts: 160	Thanks, I knew there had to be a way since many people out there shoot progressive with cameras such as XL1. Limiting film transfer only to videos done in interlaced mode seemed wrong.

November 3rd, 2003, 01:24 AM	#5
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	XL1 projects that are transferred to film are originated on PAL cameras, at 25fps. As of the last time I checked, it is basically impossible to get a quality transfer done from material that originated at 30p.