32 BIT vegas or 32 BIT AE at DVinfo.net

Roshdi Alkadri · February 13th, 2008, 11:55 PM

hi, i thought this is most relevant to film look and color correcting.

Now that vegas can do 32bit color correction, does AE still have an edge over vegas? Other than more plugins?

Glenn Chan · February 14th, 2008, 12:20 PM

Vegas:
The secondary color corrector is better in my opinion. AE uses HSL maths for the color adjustment portion, which don't look that good IMO. (But Vegas' secondary CC could be a bit better.)
No conform if your edit started out in Vegas.

AE:
Very good for doing masking / spline-based windows. Masks can be motion tracked.

This is not color-related, but AE can do things like paint, stabilization, etc.

Emre Safak · February 14th, 2008, 04:57 PM

I imagine it makes no difference unless you are working with film. DV and HDV have little color information to begin with...Using 8bpc is not going to hold you down.

Marcel D. Van Someren · March 29th, 2008, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emre Safak

I imagine it makes no difference unless you are working with film. DV and HDV have little color information to begin with...Using 8bpc is not going to hold you down.

Take a look at this article and example. It appears that 32 bit processing does make a big difference even on 8 bit DV/HDV..

http://paolociccone.com/blog/?p=12

Glenn Chan · March 30th, 2008, 11:22 AM

It's probably linear light processing at work. You need 32-bit precision to do that.

8-bit filters and transitions are capable of that if all the intermediate/in-between calculations are done in 32-bit. In any case, both Vegas and After Effects are capable of doing that. (*It might be slightly messier in Vegas.)

Marc Salvatore · May 7th, 2008, 08:28 PM

One thing to keep in mind about the Vegas 32 bit mode is that some of us have had no luck getting it to work. Crash, crash, crash. I'm using Cineform which might be part of the problem but it almost never works for me except on very small projects. 8 bit works fine.

Kevin Janisch · May 8th, 2008, 10:55 AM

Little experience with CC in Vegas, extensive experience with AE, and from what I've seen so far, Color Finesse (included with AE) is a hard app to beat, but there is a lot to be said about Vegas's playback performance with heavy CC filters, which can have significant impact on your workflow efficiency.

February 13th, 2008, 11:55 PM	#1
Roshdi Alkadri Major Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 265	32 BIT vegas or 32 BIT AE hi, i thought this is most relevant to film look and color correcting. Now that vegas can do 32bit color correction, does AE still have an edge over vegas? Other than more plugins?

February 14th, 2008, 04:57 PM	#3
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	I imagine it makes no difference unless you are working with film. DV and HDV have little color information to begin with...Using 8bpc is not going to hold you down. Last edited by Emre Safak; February 14th, 2008 at 05:38 PM.

February 14th, 2008, 12:20 PM	#2
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	Vegas: The secondary color corrector is better in my opinion. AE uses HSL maths for the color adjustment portion, which don't look that good IMO. (But Vegas' secondary CC could be a bit better.) No conform if your edit started out in Vegas. AE: Very good for doing masking / spline-based windows. Masks can be motion tracked. This is not color-related, but AE can do things like paint, stabilization, etc.

March 30th, 2008, 11:22 AM	#5
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	It's probably linear light processing at work. You need 32-bit precision to do that. 8-bit filters and transitions are capable of that if all the intermediate/in-between calculations are done in 32-bit. In any case, both Vegas and After Effects are capable of doing that. (*It might be slightly messier in Vegas.)

May 7th, 2008, 08:28 PM	#6
Marc Salvatore Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Medford, OR Posts: 351	One thing to keep in mind about the Vegas 32 bit mode is that some of us have had no luck getting it to work. Crash, crash, crash. I'm using Cineform which might be part of the problem but it almost never works for me except on very small projects. 8 bit works fine.

May 8th, 2008, 10:55 AM	#7
Kevin Janisch Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Monterey, CA Posts: 406	Little experience with CC in Vegas, extensive experience with AE, and from what I've seen so far, Color Finesse (included with AE) is a hard app to beat, but there is a lot to be said about Vegas's playback performance with heavy CC filters, which can have significant impact on your workflow efficiency.