Ridiculous Job Offers / Demands!!

K. Forman · January 20th, 2006, 06:22 PM

James- that sounds like another one of Cafe TV's jobs. Very popular, but we only use volunteers.

James Emory · January 20th, 2006, 06:27 PM

I wonder what happens if they don't get one by that date?

A movie camera? Well, that explains it.

"xxXxxx Studios seeks a student videographer with access to or owns a Canon XL1 or GL1 movie camera. We will need the videographer for a half day shoot. This is a stage play production. Shooting is on 1/28/06. Student MUST be able to work without assistance. This will put this student in a great position to do work on other paid projects. Must have videographer by Monday 23rd."

James Emory · January 20th, 2006, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith Forman

James- that sounds like another one of Cafe TV's jobs. Very popular, but we only use volunteers.

Yep! And don't get me started about them! Hahahaha!

K. Forman · January 20th, 2006, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Emory

Yep! And don't get me started about them! Hahahaha!

Why not? *poke! poke!*

Josh Bass · January 21st, 2006, 10:06 PM

CAMERA , ART & SOUND INTERNS
Reply to: betterpictures@gmail.com
Date: 2006-01-21, 10:26PM EST

Great No Budget Thriller with fun, and talented cast and crew seeks interns in the camera and sound departments. Work with an experienced DP and gain some extra credits for your reel. Food and Transpo. - copies and credits.

Betterpictures@gmail.com

SERIOUS INQUIRIES

* this is in or around MANHATTAN
* no -- it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
* Compensation: SEE ABOVE

Not that unusual, but notice how they say "credits for your reel." Do they not realize that the only person that would have a reel would be the DP? What would an intern put on his/her reel? footage of them interning?

George Ellis · January 22nd, 2006, 01:26 PM

I really should just post a link to the Atlanta Craigslist to save time. Not just one skill, but FCP, Web dev, graphics artist and logger for FREE.

Reply to: #################@aol.com
Date: 2006-01-20, 6:04PM EST

On Edge of a Dream Video Film Works in conjunction
with a popular Atlanta radio station is currently
seeking professional, dependable, and reliable Final
Cut Pro Editors, Web Designers, Graphic Artist and
Video Tape Loggers for a HOT new TV show. Presently
the position is on a volunteer/intern basis and
there is no compensation. However, the opportunity
could lead to a fulltime position and/or production
credits. If you are interested and available to volunteer
your services…please email your resume and availability to ###########@aol.com.

Job location is Atlanta,Ga

Compensation: No compensation

This is an internship job

yes -- OK for recruiters to contact this job poster.

no -- Please, no phone calls about this job!

yes -- You may contact job poster about other services, products or commercial interests.

yes -- Reposting this message elsewhere is OK.

yes -- OK to repost to Job Developers for Persons with Disabilities.

Josh Bass · January 22nd, 2006, 11:53 PM

I, likewise, should do the same with NYC craigslist.

This one makes me sad.

I guess it's not that riduculous IF YOU DON'T MIND SELLING YOUR SOUL!

"talented director, 19 year-old girls seek HBO investor
Reply to: gigs-127628699@craigslist.org
Date: 2006-01-22, 11:50PM EST

I'm a film director living in Seattle, who in the past has made only indie type dramas. But I was recently hired to write and direct a film for an erotic film company in the New York area. They gave me a tiny budget but I managed to make a very good erotic film. A film that I feel is several cuts above the company's usual releases. The two actors that I used in the movie are both 19 (photos at: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/ers/127626026.html ) and live up here in Seattle on Capitol Hill. I put an ad on craigslist and waded through a lot of tired looking stripper types before I found these two, who are friends. I got lucky. Both are artistically and politically aware. They are also beautiful and have a lot of chemistry together. And though inexperienced as actors going into the project, they are so bright and talented that they even picked that up and gave decent performances. I'm going to cast one in the starring role of a drama of mine, titled "bang bang."

Though I have an opportunity to make more films for this company as a hired gun, I've come up with the idea of starting my own company instead to make more erotica but also horror/thrillers and some select dramas that would have built in marketing hooks. This company that hired me makes a good living making erotica, and I feel my film is superior to most of the stuff they put out, both technically and artistically. These are not hardcore porn movies by any means. The films this company makes are consistently released through Hollywood Video and sometimes shown on HBO. As this company discovered--and did Howard Stern before them-- girl with girl sexuality sells.

I'm seeking 200K to start a company, with an output of at least four films over the first 12-18 months. We should consistently be able to average a budget of 50k a film, which would include office overhead, payroll, production, editing, sound editing, music, marketing and an initial run of 1,000 DVD's per film. I have the means to establish a distribution chain, which would include an established Los Angeles-based sub-distributor for DVD sales and sales agents for cable, hotel pay-per-view and for the sale to foreign countries, etc.

Of the first four films, two would be erotica, one would be horror--but during production we would shoot erotic footage as well to remarket it as erotica if it didn't sell as horror--and the fourth would be a drama such as "bang bang" which with its strong sexuality helps make it marketable. The long range goal of the company would be 5-10 years out with an average of 4-6 films per year to build a library of 25-50 films. If we can create an eclectic library with a savvy mix of commercial erotica, horror and prestige type dramas (though with marketing hooks such as sub cultures, sexuality, etc) we will have an asset worth a lot of money.

I'm currently sound editing the erotic movie that I shot for the other company but it should be ready to take a look at by the end of January. I would want to hire these same two girls and build an audience of fans for them. They would also have a small piece of the company and work as the faces of the company, both in marketing and in finding fresh talent for other films.

I've also enclosed my bio and a synopsis of "bang bang." I will be in Los Angeles this week and have a rough cut copy of the erotic film I'm working on. (1/23-1/29)

This is a work in progress, so am in the process of putting the business plan together--part of my trip to Los Angeles is to formalize the distribution chain and start putting this information together into a document. I'm open to working to address all concerns and to put a tight business plan together. I do have a budget.

I've slightly altered my identity but will be completely open once we establish contact.

Bri Rock

In development as the writer/director on the feature film "bang bang," a drama.

Wrote, directed, produced the feature film "Ivy and Vera," with principal photography completed on August 15th. (Erotica)

Produced and directed the feature film "Valentine’s Day," currently in final stages of post-production. (Drama)

Producer/Instructor for Shoreline Community College's inaugural summer filmmaking program, producing the feature film "Better Than Real," a suspense thriller. (2001)

Wrote, produced and directed the feature film "Where... ," which was one of six films chosen from over 800 entries in 1997 by the Independent Feature Project/West for a New Visions screening at the Writer’s Guild Theater in Beverly Hills. Released domestically and internationally in 1999 by..... (Drama)

Wrote the screenplay "We All Got Up To Dance," which was chosen by Cinema Seattle for a staged reading March 16, 1998.

Directed a music Video for Virgin recording artists the Walkabouts, which received MTV air play and was voted one of the ten best of 1991 by viewers of the Seattle television program Bombshelter Videos. Currently a clip of the video plays in Paul Allen's Experience Music Project rock museum in documentary about Seattle music scene of the 90's.

Won a drama award from the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences and a Directing Fellowship to the American Film Institute for writing, producing, directing and editing the twenty-three minute student version of "Where...." (1990).

Produced and/or directed several short films from 1990-1994.

Published story "till the snow flies" in the New York literary periodical Blueline. (Spring 1991)

Wrote film criticism for the Polaris, North Seattle Community College student newspaper. (1985-86)

Worked as assistant coordinator, 2nd 2nd assistant director or location assistant on several Los Angeles-based productions shot in Seattle from 1987-1994.

EDUCATION

Syracuse University--Awarded a full teaching assistantship to study in the MFA creative writing program headed by Tobias Wolff. ("This Boy's Life") 1990-91

The Evergreen State College--Bachelor of Arts in Liberal Arts awarded August 1990.

New York University--Awarded a Trustee Scholarship for study in the Tisch School of the Arts undergraduate film program. (1986-88)

"bang bang"

“bang bang” begins with Dillon Moody arranging to meet Anna Monet to interview her about a role in a soft porn video he is directing. They meet at a coffee shop in downtown Seattle, where after discussing the project, Moody agrees to hire her. Moody stands up to leave but Anna asks him for a ride to her apartment in West Seattle. Walking to Moody’s car, Anna invites him to see her perform in a program involving her church choir. When Moody asks what the program is about, Anna replies, “Jesus.” Moody asks, “You don’t feel any conflict doing soft porn while singing about Jesus?” Anna shrugs and says, “My church is cool.”

Along the way to her apartment, Anna tells Moody that she is a former gymnast and had attended college in Arizona before beginning to dance at a strip club. “After that I didn’t have time for school any more." Anna also mentions that while dancing she met an airline pilot, and after becoming pregnant and giving birth to his child, she moved back to Seattle. But when Moody presses her for information about her child, she grows vague, only saying that “She’s living with my brother right now.”

When Moody drops her off at her house, they agree to meet for dinner later in the week. But within a couple hours Anna takes a bus back downtown to attend choir practice at the Unity church. On the way to the bus stop after practice Anna is approached by a pimp, and desperate for money, agrees to work for him. She works four days for the pimp but is beaten and raped by him one night when she doesn’t bring in enough money. She calls the police and escapes him.

Anna calls Moody upon her release from the the hospital and they meet for dinner one week later than originally agreed. They begin a casual sexual relationship. But as Moody begins to discover the extent of her emotional problems, (her child had been taken away by the state) he becomes more deeply involved, eventually abandoning the video project. And slowly they begin a love affair, which leads to Anna becoming pregnant.

Though at times dark in tone, “bang-bang” is also full of tenderness and sexuality, pushing the sexual envelope for an American film."

Yes, it certainly does push the envelope. . .why, no one's ever seen anything more sexually blatant than this. Oh wait, except for hardcore porn.

Josh Bass · January 23rd, 2006, 01:09 AM

And another:

"Get Paid to Make My Movie
Reply to: gigs-127646031@craigslist.org
Date: 2006-01-23, 1:35AM EST

I am looking for someone to produce, write, direct, film, edit and otherwise do everything involved in creating a film about the old people in my family.

This is a serious short documentary that I want to make about my family while I am still fortunate to have 3 grandparents that are alive and capable of telling their stories for future generations.

The movie would involve interviewing my grandparents about their lives and their families. It is in no way limited to that and maybe you have had a similar idea and can help develop this and make it amazing.

I am willng to pay for your time. Maybe you are a film student and can work it into a project you are doing and get paid for it too. I am looking for someone to put their skill into this concept and take it and run with it.

* this is in or around NY / Miami
* no -- it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
* Compensation: $1,000+ "

WAY plus!

James Emory · January 23rd, 2006, 01:21 AM

Reply to: Post #374
Re-ridiculous post! George, I already had that one at post #368. :)

James Emory · January 23rd, 2006, 01:25 AM

Josh Larry Flint Bass. How many nekked post is that now? :O

Josh Bass · January 23rd, 2006, 01:59 AM

I don't know. I've lost count. I tell you, it's mere coincidence. I don't search for the naughty material. Not in text form, anyway.

Dave Herring · January 23rd, 2006, 02:12 AM

One of me and my colleagues’ favorite "videoisms" in WC FLA, since the BetaCam days:

"Porn is Cheating."

Josh Bass · January 23rd, 2006, 02:25 AM

Cheating as in "that doesn't count as a ridiculous job offer posting? Or cheating as in infidelity, or cheating as in "that doesn't count as working in the industry?"

Dave Herring · January 23rd, 2006, 02:46 AM

Industry related, dollars in pockets, lots of porn work around here but that would be 'cheating' in the video brotherhood...

Josh Bass · January 23rd, 2006, 02:53 AM

Ah. Nasty stuff. Good times, I'm sure, but nasty stuff. Probably not much good on a resume or reel, either. Except for getting more porn work. Or maybe you're clever and make sure it's "plotted porn," that is, porn where there clothed story portions, and then you put those on your reel, and don't mention that it just happens to be from a porn. That could work, I guess.

January 20th, 2006, 06:22 PM	#361
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	James- that sounds like another one of Cafe TV's jobs. Very popular, but we only use volunteers. __________________ www.SmokeWagonLeather.us

January 21st, 2006, 10:06 PM	#365
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	CAMERA , ART & SOUND INTERNS Reply to: betterpictures@gmail.com Date: 2006-01-21, 10:26PM EST Great No Budget Thriller with fun, and talented cast and crew seeks interns in the camera and sound departments. Work with an experienced DP and gain some extra credits for your reel. Food and Transpo. - copies and credits. Betterpictures@gmail.com SERIOUS INQUIRIES * this is in or around MANHATTAN * no -- it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests * Compensation: SEE ABOVE Not that unusual, but notice how they say "credits for your reel." Do they not realize that the only person that would have a reel would be the DP? What would an intern put on his/her reel? footage of them interning? __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

January 22nd, 2006, 11:53 PM	#367
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	I, likewise, should do the same with NYC craigslist. This one makes me sad. I guess it's not that riduculous IF YOU DON'T MIND SELLING YOUR SOUL! "talented director, 19 year-old girls seek HBO investor Reply to: gigs-127628699@craigslist.org Date: 2006-01-22, 11:50PM EST I'm a film director living in Seattle, who in the past has made only indie type dramas. But I was recently hired to write and direct a film for an erotic film company in the New York area. They gave me a tiny budget but I managed to make a very good erotic film. A film that I feel is several cuts above the company's usual releases. The two actors that I used in the movie are both 19 (photos at: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/ers/127626026.html ) and live up here in Seattle on Capitol Hill. I put an ad on craigslist and waded through a lot of tired looking stripper types before I found these two, who are friends. I got lucky. Both are artistically and politically aware. They are also beautiful and have a lot of chemistry together. And though inexperienced as actors going into the project, they are so bright and talented that they even picked that up and gave decent performances. I'm going to cast one in the starring role of a drama of mine, titled "bang bang." Though I have an opportunity to make more films for this company as a hired gun, I've come up with the idea of starting my own company instead to make more erotica but also horror/thrillers and some select dramas that would have built in marketing hooks. This company that hired me makes a good living making erotica, and I feel my film is superior to most of the stuff they put out, both technically and artistically. These are not hardcore porn movies by any means. The films this company makes are consistently released through Hollywood Video and sometimes shown on HBO. As this company discovered--and did Howard Stern before them-- girl with girl sexuality sells. I'm seeking 200K to start a company, with an output of at least four films over the first 12-18 months. We should consistently be able to average a budget of 50k a film, which would include office overhead, payroll, production, editing, sound editing, music, marketing and an initial run of 1,000 DVD's per film. I have the means to establish a distribution chain, which would include an established Los Angeles-based sub-distributor for DVD sales and sales agents for cable, hotel pay-per-view and for the sale to foreign countries, etc. Of the first four films, two would be erotica, one would be horror--but during production we would shoot erotic footage as well to remarket it as erotica if it didn't sell as horror--and the fourth would be a drama such as "bang bang" which with its strong sexuality helps make it marketable. The long range goal of the company would be 5-10 years out with an average of 4-6 films per year to build a library of 25-50 films. If we can create an eclectic library with a savvy mix of commercial erotica, horror and prestige type dramas (though with marketing hooks such as sub cultures, sexuality, etc) we will have an asset worth a lot of money. I'm currently sound editing the erotic movie that I shot for the other company but it should be ready to take a look at by the end of January. I would want to hire these same two girls and build an audience of fans for them. They would also have a small piece of the company and work as the faces of the company, both in marketing and in finding fresh talent for other films. I've also enclosed my bio and a synopsis of "bang bang." I will be in Los Angeles this week and have a rough cut copy of the erotic film I'm working on. (1/23-1/29) This is a work in progress, so am in the process of putting the business plan together--part of my trip to Los Angeles is to formalize the distribution chain and start putting this information together into a document. I'm open to working to address all concerns and to put a tight business plan together. I do have a budget. I've slightly altered my identity but will be completely open once we establish contact. Bri Rock In development as the writer/director on the feature film "bang bang," a drama. Wrote, directed, produced the feature film "Ivy and Vera," with principal photography completed on August 15th. (Erotica) Produced and directed the feature film "Valentine’s Day," currently in final stages of post-production. (Drama) Producer/Instructor for Shoreline Community College's inaugural summer filmmaking program, producing the feature film "Better Than Real," a suspense thriller. (2001) Wrote, produced and directed the feature film "Where... ," which was one of six films chosen from over 800 entries in 1997 by the Independent Feature Project/West for a New Visions screening at the Writer’s Guild Theater in Beverly Hills. Released domestically and internationally in 1999 by..... (Drama) Wrote the screenplay "We All Got Up To Dance," which was chosen by Cinema Seattle for a staged reading March 16, 1998. Directed a music Video for Virgin recording artists the Walkabouts, which received MTV air play and was voted one of the ten best of 1991 by viewers of the Seattle television program Bombshelter Videos. Currently a clip of the video plays in Paul Allen's Experience Music Project rock museum in documentary about Seattle music scene of the 90's. Won a drama award from the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences and a Directing Fellowship to the American Film Institute for writing, producing, directing and editing the twenty-three minute student version of "Where...." (1990). Produced and/or directed several short films from 1990-1994. Published story "till the snow flies" in the New York literary periodical Blueline. (Spring 1991) Wrote film criticism for the Polaris, North Seattle Community College student newspaper. (1985-86) Worked as assistant coordinator, 2nd 2nd assistant director or location assistant on several Los Angeles-based productions shot in Seattle from 1987-1994. EDUCATION Syracuse University--Awarded a full teaching assistantship to study in the MFA creative writing program headed by Tobias Wolff. ("This Boy's Life") 1990-91 The Evergreen State College--Bachelor of Arts in Liberal Arts awarded August 1990. New York University--Awarded a Trustee Scholarship for study in the Tisch School of the Arts undergraduate film program. (1986-88) "bang bang" “bang bang” begins with Dillon Moody arranging to meet Anna Monet to interview her about a role in a soft porn video he is directing. They meet at a coffee shop in downtown Seattle, where after discussing the project, Moody agrees to hire her. Moody stands up to leave but Anna asks him for a ride to her apartment in West Seattle. Walking to Moody’s car, Anna invites him to see her perform in a program involving her church choir. When Moody asks what the program is about, Anna replies, “Jesus.” Moody asks, “You don’t feel any conflict doing soft porn while singing about Jesus?” Anna shrugs and says, “My church is cool.” Along the way to her apartment, Anna tells Moody that she is a former gymnast and had attended college in Arizona before beginning to dance at a strip club. “After that I didn’t have time for school any more." Anna also mentions that while dancing she met an airline pilot, and after becoming pregnant and giving birth to his child, she moved back to Seattle. But when Moody presses her for information about her child, she grows vague, only saying that “She’s living with my brother right now.” When Moody drops her off at her house, they agree to meet for dinner later in the week. But within a couple hours Anna takes a bus back downtown to attend choir practice at the Unity church. On the way to the bus stop after practice Anna is approached by a pimp, and desperate for money, agrees to work for him. She works four days for the pimp but is beaten and raped by him one night when she doesn’t bring in enough money. She calls the police and escapes him. Anna calls Moody upon her release from the the hospital and they meet for dinner one week later than originally agreed. They begin a casual sexual relationship. But as Moody begins to discover the extent of her emotional problems, (her child had been taken away by the state) he becomes more deeply involved, eventually abandoning the video project. And slowly they begin a love affair, which leads to Anna becoming pregnant. Though at times dark in tone, “bang-bang” is also full of tenderness and sexuality, pushing the sexual envelope for an American film." Yes, it certainly does push the envelope. . .why, no one's ever seen anything more sexually blatant than this. Oh wait, except for hardcore porn. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

January 23rd, 2006, 01:09 AM	#368
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	And another: "Get Paid to Make My Movie Reply to: gigs-127646031@craigslist.org Date: 2006-01-23, 1:35AM EST I am looking for someone to produce, write, direct, film, edit and otherwise do everything involved in creating a film about the old people in my family. This is a serious short documentary that I want to make about my family while I am still fortunate to have 3 grandparents that are alive and capable of telling their stories for future generations. The movie would involve interviewing my grandparents about their lives and their families. It is in no way limited to that and maybe you have had a similar idea and can help develop this and make it amazing. I am willng to pay for your time. Maybe you are a film student and can work it into a project you are doing and get paid for it too. I am looking for someone to put their skill into this concept and take it and run with it. * this is in or around NY / Miami * no -- it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests * Compensation: $1,000+ " WAY plus! __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

January 23rd, 2006, 01:59 AM	#371
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	I don't know. I've lost count. I tell you, it's mere coincidence. I don't search for the naughty material. Not in text form, anyway. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

January 20th, 2006, 06:27 PM	#362
James Emory Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,892	I wonder what happens if they don't get one by that date? A movie camera? Well, that explains it. "xxXxxx Studios seeks a student videographer with access to or owns a Canon XL1 or GL1 movie camera. We will need the videographer for a half day shoot. This is a stage play production. Shooting is on 1/28/06. Student MUST be able to work without assistance. This will put this student in a great position to do work on other paid projects. Must have videographer by Monday 23rd."

January 22nd, 2006, 01:26 PM	#366
George Ellis Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Suwanee, GA Posts: 1,241	I really should just post a link to the Atlanta Craigslist to save time. Not just one skill, but FCP, Web dev, graphics artist and logger for FREE. Reply to: #################@aol.com Date: 2006-01-20, 6:04PM EST On Edge of a Dream Video Film Works in conjunction with a popular Atlanta radio station is currently seeking professional, dependable, and reliable Final Cut Pro Editors, Web Designers, Graphic Artist and Video Tape Loggers for a HOT new TV show. Presently the position is on a volunteer/intern basis and there is no compensation. However, the opportunity could lead to a fulltime position and/or production credits. If you are interested and available to volunteer your services…please email your resume and availability to ###########@aol.com. Job location is Atlanta,Ga Compensation: No compensation This is an internship job yes -- OK for recruiters to contact this job poster. no -- Please, no phone calls about this job! yes -- You may contact job poster about other services, products or commercial interests. yes -- Reposting this message elsewhere is OK. yes -- OK to repost to Job Developers for Persons with Disabilities.

January 23rd, 2006, 01:21 AM	#369
James Emory Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,892	Reply to: Post #374 Re-ridiculous post! George, I already had that one at post #368. :)

January 23rd, 2006, 01:25 AM	#370
James Emory Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,892	Josh Larry Flint Bass. How many nekked post is that now? :O

January 23rd, 2006, 02:12 AM	#372
Dave Herring Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Indian Rocks Beach, Florida Posts: 67	One of me and my colleagues’ favorite "videoisms" in WC FLA, since the BetaCam days: "Porn is Cheating."

January 23rd, 2006, 02:25 AM	#373
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Cheating as in "that doesn't count as a ridiculous job offer posting? Or cheating as in infidelity, or cheating as in "that doesn't count as working in the industry?" __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

January 23rd, 2006, 02:46 AM	#374
Dave Herring Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Indian Rocks Beach, Florida Posts: 67	Industry related, dollars in pockets, lots of porn work around here but that would be 'cheating' in the video brotherhood...

January 23rd, 2006, 02:53 AM	#375
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Ah. Nasty stuff. Good times, I'm sure, but nasty stuff. Probably not much good on a resume or reel, either. Except for getting more porn work. Or maybe you're clever and make sure it's "plotted porn," that is, porn where there clothed story portions, and then you put those on your reel, and don't mention that it just happens to be from a porn. That could work, I guess. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB