What rates do you charge?

Philip Gioja · July 14th, 2006, 10:18 PM

Wow -- I just read the dates on the original thread -- didn't realize it was that old. Funny on me...

Josh Bass · July 14th, 2006, 10:59 PM

Wow that is old. April 2002? Yeah, I don't even remember if I had a paid gig back then. Hopefully I've learned a fair amount since that time.

By the way, videographers usually go by day rate /half day rate, as opposed to hourly. 5 hours or less is a half day (so yes, sorry, client, that shoot you SWEAR will only take an hour is a half day), more, a full day. I'm told gear (camera, lights, etc.) is supposed to be billed at a flat day rate (e.g. my camera rents for $150 a day, period--this is the way a rental house would do it. The client is renting your gear, are they not? Therefore, you are a rental house), and you can halve your time. Some people don't even do the half day rate--full day or no day.

I've HEARD with editing, some people do charge by the hour, but don't charge AFTER the fact. What I mean is, you estimate that a project will take, say, ten hours, and if you're billing $50 an hour, then you quote $500 as your editing price, as oppposed to saying, "well, I'm $50 an hour, I'll let you know how much you're being charged when I finish."

I guess everyone's different. It's whatever you can get away with (or live with), really.

David Calvin · July 14th, 2006, 11:01 PM

for resurecting the thread.. came up in a search.. so.

:-)

David

Lorinda Norton · July 14th, 2006, 11:10 PM

Please, don't be sorry. I think it's kind of fun to see how things have changed. :)

Steve House · July 15th, 2006, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh Bass

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By the way, videographers usually go by day rate /half day rate, as opposed to hourly. 5 hours or less is a half day (so yes, sorry, client, that shoot you SWEAR will only take an hour is a half day), more, a full day. I'm told gear (camera, lights, etc.) is supposed to be billed at a flat day rate (e.g. my camera rents for $150 a day, period--this is the way a rental house would do it. The client is renting your gear, are they not? Therefore, you are a rental house), and you can halve your time. Some people don't even do the half day rate--full day or no day.

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Look at it this way - a half day shoot still takes up your whole day in that it prevents from taking the full-day booking for the same day that was the very next phone call you got after committing to this client. Once that day is gone from your inventory it's gone and the client has actually "used up" the same amount of your inventory as if he'd gone ahead and booked the full day.

Owen Dawe · July 15th, 2006, 08:29 PM

I totally agree. On a commercial basis this half day concept suits only the hirer. Some times one can be required to work between 11am and 2pm. Some are prepared to pay a whole day as it straddles the day. Others are not.

The sad part is it seems us vidographers suffer the same dilemma world wide. We undervalue and undersell ourselves far too often. (I include myself in this statement)

Josh Bass · July 15th, 2006, 09:39 PM

Yeah, right now I'd do a half day rate 'cause I don't shoot that often. The chances of me having to turn down a full day from one guy 'cause I've already committed to another guy's half day--slim to none. That's my reasoning. If I became Johnny McShootsalot, then maybe a different story.

Jeff Emery · July 16th, 2006, 08:10 AM

For my wedding work, I charge a flat rate based on the package selected. The hourly rate varies because the actual time involved varies. Using the flat rate for weddings allows the B&G to budget for the service. The hourly rate is relatively low compared to corporate clients.

For corporate, commercial, etc. clients, I charge $60 per man-hour. That applies to pre-production, production (including camera and operator) and post-production. I don't merely leave a meter running though. I estimate the amount of time for a production so the client will have a ballpark idea of what the cost will be. I let them know that I'll try to bring it in under that estimate but it could run more if the reason for additional time is due to the client.

Sometimes I'll get a request for a lower amount and I agree to it if the project is interesting, fun, or I really want to do it. I don't do the freebies thing anymore. I did a few freebies but what I found, and this is my opinion, is that when you offer to do the work for nothing, the "client" tends to treat the work as worthless or unimportant. They'll jack you around and waste your time. If you make them pay, they have something at risk. They will take the project more seriously if they have cash on the line.

Like some others have mentioned in other threads, some "clients" are tire-kickers and some are shopping by price. Occasionaly, I hear the "XYZ company said they can do it for X number of dollars." I avoid putting down XYZ or engaging the "client" in fee negotiations. I kindly suggest to them that they avoid making a choice based on price, and it comes down to choosing who they like and who they think will take care of their needs the best. I remind them that all videographers are not the same. It's a service, not a commodity.

Jeff

Ash Greyson · July 27th, 2006, 12:28 PM

Josh, you are correct, budget your gear seperately from you. I charge $500 a day for me plus I own most my own gear so that is extra. On large format (2/3" CCD cams like Varicam) I charge $800 a day. This is where owning your own gear really pays off.

ash =o)

July 14th, 2006, 10:59 PM	#17
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Wow that is old. April 2002? Yeah, I don't even remember if I had a paid gig back then. Hopefully I've learned a fair amount since that time. By the way, videographers usually go by day rate /half day rate, as opposed to hourly. 5 hours or less is a half day (so yes, sorry, client, that shoot you SWEAR will only take an hour is a half day), more, a full day. I'm told gear (camera, lights, etc.) is supposed to be billed at a flat day rate (e.g. my camera rents for $150 a day, period--this is the way a rental house would do it. The client is renting your gear, are they not? Therefore, you are a rental house), and you can halve your time. Some people don't even do the half day rate--full day or no day. I've HEARD with editing, some people do charge by the hour, but don't charge AFTER the fact. What I mean is, you estimate that a project will take, say, ten hours, and if you're billing $50 an hour, then you quote $500 as your editing price, as oppposed to saying, "well, I'm $50 an hour, I'll let you know how much you're being charged when I finish." I guess everyone's different. It's whatever you can get away with (or live with), really. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

July 14th, 2006, 11:01 PM	#18
David Calvin Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cupertino, Ca Posts: 63	Sorry for resurecting the thread.. came up in a search.. so. :-) David

July 14th, 2006, 11:10 PM	#19
Lorinda Norton Wrangler Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southwest Idaho, USA Posts: 3,066	Please, don't be sorry. I think it's kind of fun to see how things have changed. :) __________________ Lorinda

July 15th, 2006, 08:29 PM	#21
Owen Dawe Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Lake Tarawera, Rotorua, New Zealand Posts: 244	I totally agree. On a commercial basis this half day concept suits only the hirer. Some times one can be required to work between 11am and 2pm. Some are prepared to pay a whole day as it straddles the day. Others are not. The sad part is it seems us vidographers suffer the same dilemma world wide. We undervalue and undersell ourselves far too often. (I include myself in this statement) __________________ Owen

July 15th, 2006, 09:39 PM	#22
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Yeah, right now I'd do a half day rate 'cause I don't shoot that often. The chances of me having to turn down a full day from one guy 'cause I've already committed to another guy's half day--slim to none. That's my reasoning. If I became Johnny McShootsalot, then maybe a different story. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

July 14th, 2006, 10:18 PM	#16
Philip Gioja Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Piper City, IL Posts: 350	Wow -- I just read the dates on the original thread -- didn't realize it was that old. Funny on me...

July 16th, 2006, 08:10 AM	#23
Jeff Emery Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ohio USA Posts: 222	For my wedding work, I charge a flat rate based on the package selected. The hourly rate varies because the actual time involved varies. Using the flat rate for weddings allows the B&G to budget for the service. The hourly rate is relatively low compared to corporate clients. For corporate, commercial, etc. clients, I charge $60 per man-hour. That applies to pre-production, production (including camera and operator) and post-production. I don't merely leave a meter running though. I estimate the amount of time for a production so the client will have a ballpark idea of what the cost will be. I let them know that I'll try to bring it in under that estimate but it could run more if the reason for additional time is due to the client. Sometimes I'll get a request for a lower amount and I agree to it if the project is interesting, fun, or I really want to do it. I don't do the freebies thing anymore. I did a few freebies but what I found, and this is my opinion, is that when you offer to do the work for nothing, the "client" tends to treat the work as worthless or unimportant. They'll jack you around and waste your time. If you make them pay, they have something at risk. They will take the project more seriously if they have cash on the line. Like some others have mentioned in other threads, some "clients" are tire-kickers and some are shopping by price. Occasionaly, I hear the "XYZ company said they can do it for X number of dollars." I avoid putting down XYZ or engaging the "client" in fee negotiations. I kindly suggest to them that they avoid making a choice based on price, and it comes down to choosing who they like and who they think will take care of their needs the best. I remind them that all videographers are not the same. It's a service, not a commodity. Jeff

July 27th, 2006, 12:28 PM	#24
Ash Greyson Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,689	Josh, you are correct, budget your gear seperately from you. I charge $500 a day for me plus I own most my own gear so that is extra. On large format (2/3" CCD cams like Varicam) I charge $800 a day. This is where owning your own gear really pays off. ash =o)