Copyright -- Various Issues

Peter Moore · July 15th, 2004, 02:47 PM

There have been cases of melodies consisting of four notes being given copyright protection. It all depends on the context. I'd have to hear the sounds you're referring to to be sure though.

Nick Vizzone · July 16th, 2004, 05:07 AM

Thanks for the info. Like most copyright issues, its a tangled web. So I'll just go a different direction, but I do appreciate the thoughts.

Billy Dalrymple · August 2nd, 2004, 02:56 PM

Guys,

I've been playing around with making some videos using popular copyrighted songs. If I share these with people via internet or DVD I assume that violates the copyright of the song correct?

I'd like to post one here for suggestions on improvement but dont want to break any laws...

Rob Lohman · August 2nd, 2004, 03:07 PM

I've moved your thread to the correct business forum. The question
has been asked and answered here a lot of times as well.

As you guessed that is illegal. You need to acquire the song
rights and the performance rights and whatever is attached.

Billy Dalrymple · August 2nd, 2004, 03:09 PM

got it... Thanks

Douglas Spotted Eagle · September 15th, 2004, 11:48 AM

FYI gang, the "Understanding Copyright Law" DVD from VASST is shipping on Monday of next week, the title is heading to the warehouse now, pending any more Florida hurricanes shutting down freeways.

http://www.vasst.com/dvdproducts/caveats_copyright.htm

gets you to the DVD page. The DVInfo.net community COMM discount applies to this title.
It's a DVD and CD set, with the CD containing lots of location, model, and other releases, plus Quickstart guide to Fair Use and other legal goodies. DVD features Kenneth R. Wallentine, Esq. who teaches copyright and consults on copyright laws to institutions, musicians, videographers, etc. You can see a short stream on the VASST site.

Jeff Donald · September 23rd, 2004, 12:43 AM

The topic of Fair Use comes up quite frequently in this forum. Paul Tauger is very generous and patient with our many members, both new and old, in regard to this subject matter.

This is a very good basis for understanding Fair Use from Stanford University. Please read before entering into discussions of copyright and fair use.

Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.

Rafal Krolik · September 27th, 2004, 02:10 PM

I have recently completed a music video which we now would like to submit to film festivals which have music video category, one of those being the Videomaker Magazine's annual contest. They require a copyright release form for anything that I cannot release personally. I can give my permission to the video but I guess I need to get the copyright release form from the singer.

1. Am I transfering all my rights to them by signing this release?
2. Do any of you guys already have a form for a situation just like this? ( I haven't found anything on Google that fits my situation )

Thank you for any help you can provide me.

David Talbot · September 30th, 2004, 01:44 PM

I'd like to use a map in some of the promotional artwork... any ideas where I can find a map that is legal to use/won't have Rand McNalley (sp?) suing me for infringement?

Barry Gribble · September 30th, 2004, 02:19 PM

David,

I don't know how quickly you need it... but the government publishes tons of maps that I believe are in the public domain... check this out to start:

http://www.usgs.gov/pubprod/maps.html

Good luck.

David Talbot · September 30th, 2004, 02:28 PM

That's perfect, thank you!

Dan Uneken · October 12th, 2004, 07:52 AM

Rafal,

I sent you an e-mail.
Regarding your first point: that depends on the contract. I wouldn't think so.

Best,
Dan.

Rafal Krolik · October 13th, 2004, 02:12 PM

Thanks Dan

Dennis Vogel · December 10th, 2004, 02:13 PM

This seems to be the week for copyright questions so I thought I'd add one more.

Are the words to a poem copyrighted? Not the printed version in a book but the words themselves? I'm guessing they are. Having a poem read for a video would require clearance and/or licensing, no?

Good luck.

Dennis

Rick Bravo · December 10th, 2004, 07:15 PM

Definitions:

1: The pattern of formation of sentences or phrases in a language.

2: A systematic, orderly arrangement.

3: Such a pattern in a particular sentence or discourse.

Example- "Ishmael...me...call..." No problem.

"Call me Ishmael"...problem.

(The opening sentence from Moby Dick, by Herman Melville, for the sea dwelling mammal impaired.)

The words are not copyrighted in themselves...the particular order that they are arranged in to formulate and convey a thought or feeling are.

RB

August 2nd, 2004, 02:56 PM	#78
Billy Dalrymple Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 50	Copyright Issues? Guys, I've been playing around with making some videos using popular copyrighted songs. If I share these with people via internet or DVD I assume that violates the copyright of the song correct? I'd like to post one here for suggestions on improvement but dont want to break any laws... __________________ -Billy

August 2nd, 2004, 03:07 PM	#79
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I've moved your thread to the correct business forum. The question has been asked and answered here a lot of times as well. As you guessed that is illegal. You need to acquire the song rights and the performance rights and whatever is attached. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

August 2nd, 2004, 03:09 PM	#80
Billy Dalrymple Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 50	got it... Thanks __________________ -Billy

September 15th, 2004, 11:48 AM	#81
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	Understanding Copyright Law FYI gang, the "Understanding Copyright Law" DVD from VASST is shipping on Monday of next week, the title is heading to the warehouse now, pending any more Florida hurricanes shutting down freeways. http://www.vasst.com/dvdproducts/caveats_copyright.htm gets you to the DVD page. The DVInfo.net community COMM discount applies to this title. It's a DVD and CD set, with the CD containing lots of location, model, and other releases, plus Quickstart guide to Fair Use and other legal goodies. DVD features Kenneth R. Wallentine, Esq. who teaches copyright and consults on copyright laws to institutions, musicians, videographers, etc. You can see a short stream on the VASST site. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

September 23rd, 2004, 12:43 AM	#82
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	DV Info and Fair Use PLEASE READ before posting Copyright questions. The topic of Fair Use comes up quite frequently in this forum. Paul Tauger is very generous and patient with our many members, both new and old, in regard to this subject matter. This is a very good basis for understanding Fair Use from Stanford University. Please read before entering into discussions of copyright and fair use. Thank you for your cooperation in this matter. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

July 15th, 2004, 02:47 PM	#76
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	There have been cases of melodies consisting of four notes being given copyright protection. It all depends on the context. I'd have to hear the sounds you're referring to to be sure though.

July 16th, 2004, 05:07 AM	#77
Nick Vizzone New Boot Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 12	Thanks for the info. Like most copyright issues, its a tangled web. So I'll just go a different direction, but I do appreciate the thoughts.

September 27th, 2004, 02:10 PM	#83
Rafal Krolik Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Milwaukee, Wi Posts: 160	Copyright Release Form ?!?!?!?!?!? I have recently completed a music video which we now would like to submit to film festivals which have music video category, one of those being the Videomaker Magazine's annual contest. They require a copyright release form for anything that I cannot release personally. I can give my permission to the video but I guess I need to get the copyright release form from the singer. 1. Am I transfering all my rights to them by signing this release? 2. Do any of you guys already have a form for a situation just like this? ( I haven't found anything on Google that fits my situation ) Thank you for any help you can provide me.

September 30th, 2004, 01:44 PM	#84
David Talbot Tourist Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Waco, TX Posts: 4	Where can I find a map without copyright problems? I'd like to use a map in some of the promotional artwork... any ideas where I can find a map that is legal to use/won't have Rand McNalley (sp?) suing me for infringement? __________________ ------- http://www.risenthemovie.com

September 30th, 2004, 02:19 PM	#85
Barry Gribble Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 817	David, I don't know how quickly you need it... but the government publishes tons of maps that I believe are in the public domain... check this out to start: http://www.usgs.gov/pubprod/maps.html Good luck. __________________ Barry Gribble Integral Arts, IMDB

September 30th, 2004, 02:28 PM	#86
David Talbot Tourist Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Waco, TX Posts: 4	That's perfect, thank you! __________________ ------- http://www.risenthemovie.com

October 12th, 2004, 07:52 AM	#87
Dan Uneken Major Player Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Andalucia, Spain Posts: 301	Rafal, I sent you an e-mail. Regarding your first point: that depends on the contract. I wouldn't think so. Best, Dan. __________________ Film & TV locations & production Spain http://www.fotofilmvideo.com/

October 13th, 2004, 02:12 PM	#88
Rafal Krolik Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Milwaukee, Wi Posts: 160	Thanks Dan

December 10th, 2004, 02:13 PM	#89
Dennis Vogel Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hillsborough, NC Posts: 409	Another Copyright Question This seems to be the week for copyright questions so I thought I'd add one more. Are the words to a poem copyrighted? Not the printed version in a book but the words themselves? I'm guessing they are. Having a poem read for a video would require clearance and/or licensing, no? Good luck. Dennis

December 10th, 2004, 07:15 PM	#90
Rick Bravo Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 574	Syntax...(sntks) Definitions: 1: The pattern of formation of sentences or phrases in a language. 2: A systematic, orderly arrangement. 3: Such a pattern in a particular sentence or discourse. Example- "Ishmael...me...call..." No problem. "Call me Ishmael"...problem. (The opening sentence from Moby Dick, by Herman Melville, for the sea dwelling mammal impaired.) The words are not copyrighted in themselves...the particular order that they are arranged in to formulate and convey a thought or feeling are. RB __________________ "The future ain't what it used to be." Yogi Berra. www.rbravo.com