is this worng to tell musicians this? at DVinfo.net

Dave Morgan · January 19th, 2008, 06:49 PM

i make music videos, however i will not make a music video if the artist/song promotes Guns,killing, or Racism.

Is it to blunt to just flat out tell an artist that?

Allen Plowman · January 19th, 2008, 07:02 PM

No sense beating around the bush. I would use your morals to attract a better clientèle through advertising, for instance on the website. I would definitely ask for a copy of the lyrics. a great many rap artists have to release a "clean" version as well as a "dirty" one, so the clean one can be sold places like walmart, who has been known to not allow certain language and pictures. You need to decide if you will film a clean version if they request it.

just my opinion :)

Corey Williams · January 19th, 2008, 07:37 PM

I've done a lot of music video's and I and the decision is ultimately up to you. I would at least listen to the song and see if it goes against your values. Don't do something that takes a lot of time if you're not willing to put your name on it. You may be able to persuade them to choose another song for a video. It may be difficult to get it played if promotes those issues.

Jim Michael · January 19th, 2008, 07:41 PM

One of the secrets to success in a highly competitive business is to find a niche that is underserved and become dominant there. You can tell potential customers what you shoot and what you don't shoot without being blunt, it's all in how you package it. Aren't there some organizations promoting non-violent, non-{fill in hot button} music? Hook up with them and see if they can't send some work your way.

Craig Parkes · January 19th, 2008, 07:59 PM

It's not too blunt if it's true.

Nate Weaver · January 19th, 2008, 08:10 PM

In the music video business, director sensibilities and the genres of music they serve kind of find each other.

I've been approached for R&B work, gangster rap, etc etc. There was a time when it was hard to turn down that work (because it was experience, when I really needed it).

In the end, the words often come out something like this: "I'm flattered you've come to me, but I think I know a director who can do a better job for you". My personal feeling is that videos with cars, butts and guns really don't need to be made.

So in other words, while I have feelings on the matter, I don't feel a need to be confrontational about it.

John Miller · January 19th, 2008, 08:28 PM

They have their artistic integrity. You have yours.

Carl Middleton · January 19th, 2008, 08:37 PM

Ask a gangsta rap artist if he'd cover a Michael Bolton song. I guarantee you'll get a "hell no, who do you think I am?" or worse. :) Your artistic integrity is no less deserving of a 'hell no' than his, if you are asked to do something equally against what you think is right. :)

Just had to give an off the wall perspective, and I've had Office Space on my mind recently. :)

Carl

Dave Morgan · January 19th, 2008, 09:15 PM

thanks and yea I'm mostly referring to the gansta rap.

Chris Harris · January 19th, 2008, 10:18 PM

I guess Johnny Cash would be out of the question as well...

Carl Middleton · January 19th, 2008, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Harris

I guess Johnny Cash would be out of the question as well...

Naah. Cash has some very spiritual and humble songs. So long as you don't listen to the Folsom album. ;)

By the way - you guys hear about the tribute concert at Folsom Prison? They were unable to pull it off due to liability issues is my understanding. Figures.

C

Steve House · January 20th, 2008, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Morgan

i make music videos, however i will not make a music video if the artist/song promotes Guns,killing, or Racism.

Is it to blunt to just flat out tell an artist that?

I wouldn't lecture the prospective client on the point but there's no reason you should ever feel obligated to accept work that goes against your personal values. There are certain professions where this might not be true, such as I don't think pharmacists have the right to refuse to fill scripts for birth-control even if it violates their personal sense of morality - their license for a career in the public service trumps their personal values in cases like that - but those are exceptions that prove the rule. As a contractor, especially one providing a non-essential service, you are completely free to accept or reject any client or project for whatever reasons you choose. I would be a little cautious in exactly HOW you go about rejecting a project, especially if you're talking to a gangst'a rapper with a bulge under the armpit of his jacket - a POLITE refusal without going into too much detail as to your reasons would definitely be the order of the day <grin>.

January 19th, 2008, 06:49 PM	#1
Dave Morgan Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 293	is this worng to tell musicians this? i make music videos, however i will not make a music video if the artist/song promotes Guns,killing, or Racism. Is it to blunt to just flat out tell an artist that?

January 19th, 2008, 08:10 PM	#6
Nate Weaver Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,100	In the music video business, director sensibilities and the genres of music they serve kind of find each other. I've been approached for R&B work, gangster rap, etc etc. There was a time when it was hard to turn down that work (because it was experience, when I really needed it). In the end, the words often come out something like this: "I'm flattered you've come to me, but I think I know a director who can do a better job for you". My personal feeling is that videos with cars, butts and guns really don't need to be made. So in other words, while I have feelings on the matter, I don't feel a need to be confrontational about it. __________________ My Work: nateweaver.net

January 19th, 2008, 08:37 PM	#8
Carl Middleton Major Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Fernandina Beach, FL Posts: 562	Ask a gangsta rap artist if he'd cover a Michael Bolton song. I guarantee you'll get a "hell no, who do you think I am?" or worse. :) Your artistic integrity is no less deserving of a 'hell no' than his, if you are asked to do something equally against what you think is right. :) Just had to give an off the wall perspective, and I've had Office Space on my mind recently. :) Carl __________________ Carl Middleton Whizkid Mediaworks

January 19th, 2008, 07:02 PM	#2
Allen Plowman Major Player Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Paradise, california Posts: 353	No sense beating around the bush. I would use your morals to attract a better clientèle through advertising, for instance on the website. I would definitely ask for a copy of the lyrics. a great many rap artists have to release a "clean" version as well as a "dirty" one, so the clean one can be sold places like walmart, who has been known to not allow certain language and pictures. You need to decide if you will film a clean version if they request it. just my opinion :)

January 19th, 2008, 07:37 PM	#3
Corey Williams Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: McKinney,TX/New Orleans, LA Posts: 104	I've done a lot of music video's and I and the decision is ultimately up to you. I would at least listen to the song and see if it goes against your values. Don't do something that takes a lot of time if you're not willing to put your name on it. You may be able to persuade them to choose another song for a video. It may be difficult to get it played if promotes those issues.

January 19th, 2008, 07:41 PM	#4
Jim Michael Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 895	One of the secrets to success in a highly competitive business is to find a niche that is underserved and become dominant there. You can tell potential customers what you shoot and what you don't shoot without being blunt, it's all in how you package it. Aren't there some organizations promoting non-violent, non-{fill in hot button} music? Hook up with them and see if they can't send some work your way.

January 19th, 2008, 07:59 PM	#5
Craig Parkes Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 444	It's not too blunt if it's true.

January 19th, 2008, 08:28 PM	#7
John Miller Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hillsborough, NC, USA Posts: 968	They have their artistic integrity. You have yours.

January 19th, 2008, 09:15 PM	#9
Dave Morgan Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 293	thanks and yea I'm mostly referring to the gansta rap.

January 19th, 2008, 10:18 PM	#10
Chris Harris Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 487	I guess Johnny Cash would be out of the question as well...