Canon Digital Rebel XTi EOS400D at DVinfo.net

Jacob Mason · August 23rd, 2006, 10:42 PM

http://www.dcresource.com/news/newsitem.php?id=3370

10.1 effective Megapixel CMOS sensor
New dust reduction system: 1) ultrasonic waves blast dust off the low pass sensor; 2) low pass filter split into two parts to keep the dust further from the sensor; 3) front of low pass filter now has anti-static charge
Users can also create a "dust map" (Canon calls it Dust Delete Data) for dust that just won't go away; this information is saved in metadata, and the bundled Digital Photography Professional 2.2 software can remove it from your photos
2.5" LCD display (with 230k pixels)
LCD info display has gone away; shooting info now shown on LCD; when you put your eye to the viewfinder, the screen goes dark automatically
Improved burst mode compared to Rebel XT: now takes up to 10 RAW or 27 JPEG images (still at 3 fps)
Inherits the Picture Styles menu and RGB histogram from the EOS-5D and EOS-30D
Same body design (and colors) as Rebel XT -- very hard to tell them apart; compatible with all Rebel XT accessories, including the battery grip
Still uses DIGIC II processor and CompactFlash
USB 2.0 High Speed supported
Ships mid-September for $799 body only or $899 with the same 18-55 EF-S lens that comes with the Rebel XT

The Rebel XT will be around for the rest of the year. Its price will drop to $699 body only or $799 with the kit lens.

Jacob Mason · August 23rd, 2006, 11:05 PM

Some samples:
http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/eosdigit..._sample-j.html

...and the ausies got a cute and clever little countdown scheme going too...
http://www.canon.com.au/eos400d/

Rob Galbraith's preview...
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/mul...id=7-7897-8492

I don't know why my other post before this one was removed, perhaps somebody thought I was posting area 51 stuff or something...???
Well, it's really real ya'll.

Jacob Mason · August 23rd, 2006, 11:10 PM

Why on earth would they remove the status LCD off the top?
That's a bit of necessity if you ask me.

A lot of other little interesting things about this camera are coming to light. It's priced pretty low when compared to the D80, in fact, it isn't much more expensive than the D50.

Pretty interesting...

Keith Loh · August 24th, 2006, 09:40 AM

Bah. I want something to bring down the prices of the 30D and 5D. This won't.

Oh yeah, good spotting the removal of the status LCD. Forget me ever getting this.

Peter Jefferson · August 27th, 2006, 10:35 PM

impressive spec i must admit...for me now its a tossup between this and the 30d....
ive got a 5d body on its way... now to find some decent lenses...

Jacob Mason · August 28th, 2006, 12:58 AM

If you've already got a 5D as your main camera, I don't see any reason to spend the extra 400 or 500 on the 30D over the XTi.
Plus, you'll need that extra cash for some high quality L glass to take full advantage of the resolving power of the 5D.

Kent Frost · August 28th, 2006, 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith Loh

Bah. I want something to bring down the prices of the 30D and 5D. This won't.

Oh yeah, good spotting the removal of the status LCD. Forget me ever getting this.

Oh I don't think so at all. I have a 300D ("had" actually...shot over 30,000 over the last 3 years and it finally died) and my wife has the 350D. Personally, I found that little strip of an LCD display to be a huge nuisance on both models. I want to play with a 400D first, but it sounds like that status info will be moved down to the LCD screen, which can light up on demand just like the older display.

Peter Jefferson · August 28th, 2006, 08:32 AM

"shot over 30,000 over the last 3 years and it finally died"

wow.. thats not all that much... what maybe 40-50 weddings or so?? not very impressive IMO... heres hopign the 400d lasts a little longer..
as for teh 5d, i totally hear you... my issue is budget and versatility though, and i havent seen much of the 30d that the 400d cant do... Im only going with spec, but more than likley im probably missing something here... a good comaprison chart would do me wonders right now.. lol

Jacob Mason · August 28th, 2006, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kent Frost

...I found that little strip of an LCD display to be a huge nuisance on both models. I want to play with a 400D first, but it sounds like that status info will be moved down to the LCD screen, which can light up on demand just like the older display.

Eh, I just realized Canon never put a status LCD on the top of their camera, it was always right above of the larger LCD ::slaps forehead, cries to self:: so I guess it does make sense to just remove it, assuming that the extra use put on the larger LCD doesn't put too much of a drain on the battery.

Aside from that, there are still a number of other little pesky issues that make the XTi seem amateurish when compared to the D80.
Don't get me wrong, the XTi's IQ appears to be very impressive, particularly when reviewing Canon's samples with L(lust) glass.
IQ is the bottom line, and if that's good, then what could be wrong?
Well, for 200 dollars less than the D80, it feels so incredibly right…and you are getting equal to arguably better IQ…what is the catch...?

I think that once people go out and pick up these cameras, and hold them up to their eye and tinker with them a bit, fire off a few shots, ask a few questions, carefully review the comparisons, they'll really want the Nikon, but many will still end up picking the Canon - simply because it's less money, and most people getting an intro DSLR are on a tight budget, and that tends to take precedence over anything else.

Chris Hurd · August 28th, 2006, 09:02 AM

Having an XT here at the house, I'm glad they're doing away with that LCD strip. There's nothing on it that can't be displayed on the primary LCD screen, and if getting rid of it allows for a larger primary LCD screen without changing the bosy dimensions then I'm all for it. This is a smart move on their part in my opinion.

Meryem Ersoz · August 28th, 2006, 09:42 AM

oo la la, you have an XT at your house? and an H1?? can i come over, pleeeeease!!!?

must make field trip to local camera store.....

Chris Hurd · August 28th, 2006, 10:00 AM

I need to make that field trip too, because what I don't have at the house is a really good lens for the Rebel XT. I borrowed a 28-135 IS USM from a friend and managed to get several photos published with it... now I want one of my own, it's a great multi-purpose lens.

Kent Frost · August 28th, 2006, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Jefferson

"shot over 30,000 over the last 3 years and it finally died"

wow.. thats not all that much... what maybe 40-50 weddings or so?? not very impressive IMO... heres hopign the 400d lasts a little longer..

No? Well that model has an estimated shutter life of around 25-30K cycles, so if looked at it like that then I did actually get my money's worth. This is, remember, an entry-level dSLR. By no means a professional model at all. This is aimed at the general public, and most people who have one don't shoot parties every week like I do (or did), so it was relatively easy to go through all 30K in 3 years. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, I believe the FILM Rebels were rated to be about the same.

Kent Frost · August 28th, 2006, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

I borrowed a 28-135 IS USM from a friend and managed to get several photos published with it... now I want one of my own, it's a great multi-purpose lens.

I highly recommend the 17-85 IS USM lens. With the 1.6x crop factor of the XT's sensor, it comes out to be right at about the same as the 28-135 IS USM.

Tim Le · August 28th, 2006, 04:15 PM

The 400D status panel/LCD is actually pretty cool. All that 2.5" real estate allows for more displays and more legible displays such as:

- Shutter speed is shown as "1/xxxx"
- Aperture finally has an "F" that precedes it. Hoo-ray!! I've always hated that Canon never puts an "F" in front of the F-stop, unlike Nikon and others.
- ISO is always displayed. Double hoo-ray!!

The VF also has a proximity sensor that turns off this LCD whenever you put your eye to the VF.

August 23rd, 2006, 10:42 PM	#1
Jacob Mason Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 205	Canon Digital Rebel XTi EOS400D http://www.dcresource.com/news/newsitem.php?id=3370 10.1 effective Megapixel CMOS sensor New dust reduction system: 1) ultrasonic waves blast dust off the low pass sensor; 2) low pass filter split into two parts to keep the dust further from the sensor; 3) front of low pass filter now has anti-static charge Users can also create a "dust map" (Canon calls it Dust Delete Data) for dust that just won't go away; this information is saved in metadata, and the bundled Digital Photography Professional 2.2 software can remove it from your photos 2.5" LCD display (with 230k pixels) LCD info display has gone away; shooting info now shown on LCD; when you put your eye to the viewfinder, the screen goes dark automatically Improved burst mode compared to Rebel XT: now takes up to 10 RAW or 27 JPEG images (still at 3 fps) Inherits the Picture Styles menu and RGB histogram from the EOS-5D and EOS-30D Same body design (and colors) as Rebel XT -- very hard to tell them apart; compatible with all Rebel XT accessories, including the battery grip Still uses DIGIC II processor and CompactFlash USB 2.0 High Speed supported Ships mid-September for $799 body only or $899 with the same 18-55 EF-S lens that comes with the Rebel XT The Rebel XT will be around for the rest of the year. Its price will drop to $699 body only or $799 with the kit lens.

August 24th, 2006, 09:40 AM	#4
Keith Loh Air China Pilot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 2,389	Bah. I want something to bring down the prices of the 30D and 5D. This won't. Oh yeah, good spotting the removal of the status LCD. Forget me ever getting this. __________________ -- Visit http://www.KeithLoh.com \| stuff about living in Vancouver \| My Flickr photo gallery

August 28th, 2006, 09:02 AM	#10
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Having an XT here at the house, I'm glad they're doing away with that LCD strip. There's nothing on it that can't be displayed on the primary LCD screen, and if getting rid of it allows for a larger primary LCD screen without changing the bosy dimensions then I'm all for it. This is a smart move on their part in my opinion. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

August 28th, 2006, 10:00 AM	#12
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	I need to make that field trip too, because what I don't have at the house is a really good lens for the Rebel XT. I borrowed a 28-135 IS USM from a friend and managed to get several photos published with it... now I want one of my own, it's a great multi-purpose lens. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

August 23rd, 2006, 11:05 PM	#2
Jacob Mason Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 205	Some samples: http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/eosdigit..._sample-j.html ...and the ausies got a cute and clever little countdown scheme going too... http://www.canon.com.au/eos400d/ Rob Galbraith's preview... http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/mul...id=7-7897-8492 I don't know why my other post before this one was removed, perhaps somebody thought I was posting area 51 stuff or something...??? Well, it's really real ya'll.

August 23rd, 2006, 11:10 PM	#3
Jacob Mason Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 205	Why on earth would they remove the status LCD off the top? That's a bit of necessity if you ask me. A lot of other little interesting things about this camera are coming to light. It's priced pretty low when compared to the D80, in fact, it isn't much more expensive than the D50. Pretty interesting...

August 27th, 2006, 10:35 PM	#5
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	impressive spec i must admit...for me now its a tossup between this and the 30d.... ive got a 5d body on its way... now to find some decent lenses...

August 28th, 2006, 12:58 AM	#6
Jacob Mason Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 205	If you've already got a 5D as your main camera, I don't see any reason to spend the extra 400 or 500 on the 30D over the XTi. Plus, you'll need that extra cash for some high quality L glass to take full advantage of the resolving power of the 5D.

August 28th, 2006, 08:32 AM	#8
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	"shot over 30,000 over the last 3 years and it finally died" wow.. thats not all that much... what maybe 40-50 weddings or so?? not very impressive IMO... heres hopign the 400d lasts a little longer.. as for teh 5d, i totally hear you... my issue is budget and versatility though, and i havent seen much of the 30d that the 400d cant do... Im only going with spec, but more than likley im probably missing something here... a good comaprison chart would do me wonders right now.. lol

August 28th, 2006, 09:42 AM	#11
Meryem Ersoz Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 3,015	oo la la, you have an XT at your house? and an H1?? can i come over, pleeeeease!!!? must make field trip to local camera store.....

August 28th, 2006, 04:15 PM	#15
Tim Le Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 350	The 400D status panel/LCD is actually pretty cool. All that 2.5" real estate allows for more displays and more legible displays such as: - Shutter speed is shown as "1/xxxx" - Aperture finally has an "F" that precedes it. Hoo-ray!! I've always hated that Canon never puts an "F" in front of the F-stop, unlike Nikon and others. - ISO is always displayed. Double hoo-ray!! The VF also has a proximity sensor that turns off this LCD whenever you put your eye to the VF.