when will digital be better?

Pieter Saayman · June 28th, 2006, 08:21 AM

Hi John,

If the person using the digital camera knows what he is doing, and one makes prints of both the digital and the slide photograph, I doubt whether any pro will be able to spot the differance.

I only recently switched over to digital, but I am happy I made the move and will not go back to film again.

I still have one film camera though, that I use every now and then just to dicipline myself. I don't want to get into the habbit of just clicking away without thinking, ending up with 100 pix of the same thing!

Emre Safak · June 28th, 2006, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by John DeLuca

This is an interesting topic I discussed with my lab owner many, many times over. A quality slide and high end scanner will hold more color gradation and saturation than digital. Slides will not "blob up" colors/saturation like the D2x's color mode 3 for example.

Used Velvia lately?

John DeLuca · June 28th, 2006, 09:17 AM

I don't shoot film anymore myself (15+years of experience with 35, and medium format). Velvia is like the D2X's color mode 3. Capturing the full range of color/saturation gradation in camera will always be better than adding dirty water in post. I’m alittle shocked you haven’t seen digital clip colors/saturation the same way it clips highlights.

-John

Keith Loh · June 28th, 2006, 09:55 AM

Anyone use this?

http://www.alienskin.com/exposure/index.html

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Exposure brings the look and feel of film to digital photography. Simulate the warmth and softness of real world film, both color and black and white. Reproduce realistic film grain, and simplify your digital photography workflow.

You can now digitally simulate the vivid colors of Velvia(r), the rich blacks of Kodachrome(r), the sensitivity of Ektachrome(r), and the characteristics of dozens of other film stocks. Exposure also models the size, shape, and color of real world film grain. Use this level of subtle reproduction to simulate the distinct looks of films such as Ilford(r) 3200 Delta and long discontinued Ektachrome EES and GAF(r) 500.

John DeLuca · June 28th, 2006, 10:12 AM

I don’t see how software can simulate films color gradation if you don’t record the color gradation in camera. This would be another example of adding "dirty water" with software. Blowing out color gradation is just like blowing hightlights.......if you dont record it, you can never get it back. It’s sad that most photographers have a "good enough" attitude when it comes to art photography.

-John

Kurth Bousman · July 1st, 2006, 05:20 PM

There are a number of photoshop actions available for free that do a good job of simulating film .Do a google . That said , I love my new epson v700 with my 6x6 negs. It's another tool in the shed. And then , what's great about the photography revolution is you can apply those same ps actions to film to make it look more like film than just film ! Oh yea , the thread. If you want to compare film to digital look here :

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/es...-testing.shtml

Any photographer knows that digital is cleaner but there's just something about film that appeals to the eye. The problem is , it (film) is on the downside of a fast halflife. But until that day comes , I'll use both . Kurth

June 28th, 2006, 08:21 AM	#16
Pieter Saayman New Boot Join Date: May 2006 Location: South Africa Posts: 10	Hi John, If the person using the digital camera knows what he is doing, and one makes prints of both the digital and the slide photograph, I doubt whether any pro will be able to spot the differance. I only recently switched over to digital, but I am happy I made the move and will not go back to film again. I still have one film camera though, that I use every now and then just to dicipline myself. I don't want to get into the habbit of just clicking away without thinking, ending up with 100 pix of the same thing!

June 28th, 2006, 09:17 AM	#18
John DeLuca Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Akron, Ohio Posts: 496	I don't shoot film anymore myself (15+years of experience with 35, and medium format). Velvia is like the D2X's color mode 3. Capturing the full range of color/saturation gradation in camera will always be better than adding dirty water in post. I’m alittle shocked you haven’t seen digital clip colors/saturation the same way it clips highlights. -John

June 28th, 2006, 10:12 AM	#20
John DeLuca Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Akron, Ohio Posts: 496	I don’t see how software can simulate films color gradation if you don’t record the color gradation in camera. This would be another example of adding "dirty water" with software. Blowing out color gradation is just like blowing hightlights.......if you dont record it, you can never get it back. It’s sad that most photographers have a "good enough" attitude when it comes to art photography. -John

July 1st, 2006, 05:20 PM	#21
Kurth Bousman Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: san miguel allende , gto , mexico Posts: 644	There are a number of photoshop actions available for free that do a good job of simulating film .Do a google . That said , I love my new epson v700 with my 6x6 negs. It's another tool in the shed. And then , what's great about the photography revolution is you can apply those same ps actions to film to make it look more like film than just film ! Oh yea , the thread. If you want to compare film to digital look here : http://www.luminous-landscape.com/es...-testing.shtml Any photographer knows that digital is cleaner but there's just something about film that appeals to the eye. The problem is , it (film) is on the downside of a fast halflife. But until that day comes , I'll use both . Kurth