Canon 10d noise level at high ISO at DVinfo.net

Dylan Couper · October 6th, 2004, 07:22 PM

Just wondering about noise levels in the 10d when you are shooting at a high ISO, like 800 or higher, in poor conditions. I've seen the review on DPreview, which show the noise level, but not in actual everyday applications.

If possible, can any of you 10d owners show some "worst case scenario" type pics?

Thanks!

Jeff Donald · October 6th, 2004, 10:27 PM

What are you trying to shoot? The 10D has pretty good noise levels up to ISO 800. I feel ISO 1600 and 3200 (H) are weak. They are suitable for PJ work but little else without significant software manipulation. I do a lot of noise reduction in Noise Ninja (I just use 'um, I don't name 'um). It's the best PS plugin for noise reduction, in my opinion.

Dylan Couper · October 7th, 2004, 12:14 AM

I'm thinking of getting one for low-light sports. I can't get the shutter speeds I need out of my Minolta A2 since it's too noisy over anything above 100 ISO.

Jeff Donald · October 7th, 2004, 12:41 AM

The best low noise camera at this time is the 20D (under $3000 USD). My cursory experiments show ISO 1600 on the 20D is very close to ISO 400 (maybe 500 or 600) on the 10D. ISO 100 on your Minolta is probably around ISO 400 on the 20D and ISO 200 on the 10D.

Dylan Couper · October 7th, 2004, 12:30 PM

Thanks Jeff!

I went and demoed a 20d today. I think it is worth the money to me over a used 10d, with the burst mode especially, but also the better noise levels. Looks like it's going to be a ramen noodles until Christmas so I can get a 20d and some glass under the tree.

My only complaint is that it feels dainty in my big paws.

Michael Moore · October 7th, 2004, 02:55 PM

Awwwww Dylan you are buying your self a x-mas present. I went and bought a 10d, (I got it used for a sweetheart of a deal) and I have to say the thing kicks but. I have shot in low light and at 1600 and H (or 3200) ISO and ya there is noise but if you shoot film at that speed there is noise there to. The higher the speed the grainer the look that is part of the effect. Don’t get me wrong film looks better then the 20d and the 20 looks better the 10 but I still have a hard time forking out $2200.00 or what ever the cost just so I can have the latest and greatest. All I am saying is don’t believe the hype, there are a lot of good deals on the 10d you may be able to save your self enough to get 2 nice lenses.

good luck dude
Michael

Dylan Couper · October 7th, 2004, 03:52 PM

THanks Micheal!
Actually, I saw a 10d body in the Buy&Sell for $1200cdn. That's pretty darn cheap. For the sports stuff I do, the burst mode sells me. I think the extra frames and speed of the 20d might be worth it for me. Hopefully by Chrismas there will be some used ones on the market. Of course, if the right 10d came along for the right price between now and then, you never know.
Do you have any of the stuff you shoot with the 10d up on the web?

Michael Moore · October 7th, 2004, 05:28 PM

ya i have a few things i have shot posted on my site but it is down right now,
check out
http://www.snowboard.com/members/Photos/Browse.asp?Mem=830859
the last 2 shots are with the 10d
i think i called them
waiting for the train and sunset

Jeff Donald · October 7th, 2004, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Don’t get me wrong film looks better then the 20d and the 20 looks better the 10 . . .

Shoot something at 3200 ISO with film and then shoot the same scene with either the 10D or 20D. There is no comparison. The digital images are far superior to the film images. Grain is the Achilles heel of film and the higher the ISO the worse the comparison between film and digital becomes.

Dylan Couper · October 7th, 2004, 10:24 PM

Micheal, Sunset is a great pic!

John DeLuca · October 7th, 2004, 10:38 PM

Micheal,

How fast was your lense in the "fire in the sky" shot?

John

Michael Moore · October 8th, 2004, 12:29 PM

Thanks guys,

The shot was done with 800iso at .5shutter speed and the 4.6 aperture. I love the camera.

I got the camera for 1100ca for the body, grip and 2 batteries. All in the box and with receipts.

What I meant by the ISO comment I made was that Film is not better or worse, but that it is that the results are all different and that if you change the ISO to 1600 or 3200 you should expect to get grain. I know you can add it in through post but I still like to get the shot in camera.

Anyways thanks guy for the comment
Michael

October 6th, 2004, 07:22 PM	#1
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Canon 10d noise level at high ISO Just wondering about noise levels in the 10d when you are shooting at a high ISO, like 800 or higher, in poor conditions. I've seen the review on DPreview, which show the noise level, but not in actual everyday applications. If possible, can any of you 10d owners show some "worst case scenario" type pics? Thanks! __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

October 6th, 2004, 10:27 PM	#2
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	What are you trying to shoot? The 10D has pretty good noise levels up to ISO 800. I feel ISO 1600 and 3200 (H) are weak. They are suitable for PJ work but little else without significant software manipulation. I do a lot of noise reduction in Noise Ninja (I just use 'um, I don't name 'um). It's the best PS plugin for noise reduction, in my opinion. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 7th, 2004, 12:14 AM	#3
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	I'm thinking of getting one for low-light sports. I can't get the shutter speeds I need out of my Minolta A2 since it's too noisy over anything above 100 ISO. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

October 7th, 2004, 12:41 AM	#4
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	The best low noise camera at this time is the 20D (under $3000 USD). My cursory experiments show ISO 1600 on the 20D is very close to ISO 400 (maybe 500 or 600) on the 10D. ISO 100 on your Minolta is probably around ISO 400 on the 20D and ISO 200 on the 10D. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 7th, 2004, 12:30 PM	#5
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Thanks Jeff! I went and demoed a 20d today. I think it is worth the money to me over a used 10d, with the burst mode especially, but also the better noise levels. Looks like it's going to be a ramen noodles until Christmas so I can get a 20d and some glass under the tree. My only complaint is that it feels dainty in my big paws. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

October 7th, 2004, 02:55 PM	#6
Michael Moore Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Vancouver Posts: 94	Awwwww Dylan you are buying your self a x-mas present. I went and bought a 10d, (I got it used for a sweetheart of a deal) and I have to say the thing kicks but. I have shot in low light and at 1600 and H (or 3200) ISO and ya there is noise but if you shoot film at that speed there is noise there to. The higher the speed the grainer the look that is part of the effect. Don’t get me wrong film looks better then the 20d and the 20 looks better the 10 but I still have a hard time forking out $2200.00 or what ever the cost just so I can have the latest and greatest. All I am saying is don’t believe the hype, there are a lot of good deals on the 10d you may be able to save your self enough to get 2 nice lenses. good luck dude Michael

October 7th, 2004, 03:52 PM	#7
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	THanks Micheal! Actually, I saw a 10d body in the Buy&Sell for $1200cdn. That's pretty darn cheap. For the sports stuff I do, the burst mode sells me. I think the extra frames and speed of the 20d might be worth it for me. Hopefully by Chrismas there will be some used ones on the market. Of course, if the right 10d came along for the right price between now and then, you never know. Do you have any of the stuff you shoot with the 10d up on the web? __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

October 7th, 2004, 05:28 PM	#8
Michael Moore Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Vancouver Posts: 94	ya i have a few things i have shot posted on my site but it is down right now, check out http://www.snowboard.com/members/Photos/Browse.asp?Mem=830859 the last 2 shots are with the 10d i think i called them waiting for the train and sunset

October 7th, 2004, 10:24 PM	#10
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Micheal, Sunset is a great pic! __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

October 7th, 2004, 10:38 PM	#11
John DeLuca Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Akron, Ohio Posts: 496	Micheal, How fast was your lense in the "fire in the sky" shot? John

October 8th, 2004, 12:29 PM	#12
Michael Moore Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Vancouver Posts: 94	Thanks guys, The shot was done with 800iso at .5shutter speed and the 4.6 aperture. I love the camera. I got the camera for 1100ca for the body, grip and 2 batteries. All in the box and with receipts. What I meant by the ISO comment I made was that Film is not better or worse, but that it is that the results are all different and that if you change the ISO to 1600 or 3200 you should expect to get grain. I know you can add it in through post but I still like to get the shot in camera. Anyways thanks guy for the comment Michael