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Alex Knappenberger · August 31st, 2003, 11:29 PM

Yeah, I've been trying to find a 35MM SLR for a while now, on ebay and local pawn shops, and I finally won a ebay auction for a canon rebel (yikes, original rebel, oh well) with a Canon 35-105mm lens....which is a nice lens.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=15235

I have to come up with a few extra dollars, and then that should be in my hands.

Any comments? I don't know about just a Rebel, it's from like 1994.

Frank Granovski · September 1st, 2003, 02:25 AM

There you go. Hopefully you'll get it intact. :)

Robert Knecht Schmidt · September 1st, 2003, 03:51 AM

Do you plan on shooting black and white and doing your own printing, or have you found a quality developer in your area? If I was serious about my 35 mm photography, I wouldn't just trust my pictures to Wal-Mart...

Frank Granovski · September 1st, 2003, 04:27 AM

Did someone mention B&W? Robert makes a good point about developing your own negs and prints. There are so many options out there in way of B&W film and chemicals. I used to develop my own film, but alas, the washroom's the only place I can set up shop these days. What I did was look around until I found someone that can actually do a decent developing job, and at a reasonable price---mind you, Walmart would probably be 3X cheaper. My only complaint is that I have to settle with semi-gloss. My favourite all-around B&W film is Ilford Delta 400, although for print stuff, done "in-studio," I prefer the Delta 100. Alex, you can push and pull B&W, as well as with slides, but with color film you don't have this luxury, as far as I know. Don't ask me for a good color film suggestion. I don't have one. :)

Bryan Gateb · September 1st, 2003, 04:50 AM

nice -- the family has an EOS Rebel S i believe -- we've had it forever, and we'll soon be looking into Digital SLR ::drool:: -- the Canon 10D looks like a nice camera :)

Jeff Donald · September 1st, 2003, 06:31 AM

Alex, your high school probably has photography classes you can sign up for. Classes are a great way to get involved in photography. If you can't get into your schools classes yet, check out what's available from local colleges, libraries, museums etc. Many of these institutions have adult education classes.

The current state of the art in color negative film processing and printing is, arguably, the Fuji Frontier. Frontiers also use the color paper, Fuji Crystal Archive, that is generally regarded as the best color paper on the market. Where can you find these great machines? WalMart (some), Sam's Club, Ritz Cameras (some) and a few local processors. You're unlikely to find these at your smaller chains and mom and pop camera stores. Why? The Starting price for a Frontier is around $350,000. The higher end Frontiers (faster, more prints per minute) are around $500,000.

While I don't normally recommend WalMart as a bastion of high tech, in this case their enormous investment in state of the art processing equipment gives them a decided edge. Give their in store processing a try. The price is cheap and the quality should be high.

Not all WalMarts have the Frontiers yet, and the out of store processing does not use Frontiers. Sam's Club requires a membership and Ritz has a Frequent Foto Club that offers competitive processing discounts.

Zac Stein · September 1st, 2003, 06:57 AM

I would def get into b&w photography it is so much fun to smell like vinegar.

But seriously, it makes you feel so much more intune with what you are doing. You feel like the entire process is one of your very own.

I finish my pictures like most do these days, with a negative scanner. I hardly get prints anymore, never with b&w.

Epson has a nice flatbed i believe the model number is 3200, don't know about US prices.

I use a canon fs4000 dedicated film scanner which has a nice scanning rez of 4000dpi.

I would start at first with negative film, not reversal, not until you get used to it, and make use of a grey card until you are used to what should be safely in exposure and so on.

I also rec. the ilford range of b&w negs, lovely stuff, the HP5 pushes very well right up to 3200iso and the delta 400 is a great all around neg.

BTW if you shoot b&w you MUST use a minus blue filter, such as a yellow or if you want more intense orange filter. Red if you love very very high contrast. Or else your photos will look like a flat mess.

Here are some examples using ilford delta 3200. Mind you these are compressed right down for web storage. They are also extremely raw, no correction at all.

http://www.mindfreeproductions.com/test/oldhouse.jpg

http://www.mindfreeproductions.com/test/littleman.jpg

http://www.mindfreeproductions.com/t...iralstairs.jpg

http://www.mindfreeproductions.com/t...ralstairs1.jpg

http://www.mindfreeproductions.com/g...ines1small.jpg

http://www.mindfreeproductions.com/g...metalsmall.jpg

The ratty dirty look to them was intentional, to add to the feel.

These were taken with a canon eos 500n or as you know it a rebel s, with a canon eos 50mm 1.8f lens with a cokin orange filter.

You are getting into fantastic artform that can only improve your video, enjoy it always.

Zac

Alex Knappenberger · September 1st, 2003, 12:24 PM

No wonder why I haven't gotten any emails from him, heh. I signed up for that ebay account like 2+ years ago, and I had used my ISP Email, which I don't have access to anymore, and he sent all the emails there. Oh well. He's a nice guy and he understood, and I'm going to Paypal him in a minute, and he said he will have it shipped out tomorrow.

Frank Granovski · September 1st, 2003, 01:33 PM

As Zac suggested, a yellow or orange filter improves the contrast for shooting B&W. I also find that a good UV also improves the pics, expecially at higher elevations. B&W is a totally different beast than color, and I find myself screwing up less with B&W than color prints. It's just that most people prefer color. Luckily, I'm color blind. :)

Imran Zaidi · September 3rd, 2003, 11:29 AM

I have a Rebel 2000 myself, and it is excellent for the money. I've had it for perhaps 3 years now I think, and it's performed without fail, and without a single problem for that entire time.

I also dabble in b&w photography, though I do plenty of color as well. I also regularly use the Ilford Delta 3200 speed film, and love it. I use it with a Red Cokin filter for maximized contrast for that cool, contrasty and grainy feel.

Here's a sample pic I took with the Rebel 2000 using that Ilford 3200 film with the Red filter, with just natural light coming through a window on the right...

http://www.theseventhlevel.net/images/GirlsRule.jpg

August 31st, 2003, 11:29 PM	#1
Alex Knappenberger High School Student Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canton, Ohio, USA Posts: 609	Won a Ebay Auction... Yeah, I've been trying to find a 35MM SLR for a while now, on ebay and local pawn shops, and I finally won a ebay auction for a canon rebel (yikes, original rebel, oh well) with a Canon 35-105mm lens....which is a nice lens. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=15235 I have to come up with a few extra dollars, and then that should be in my hands. Any comments? I don't know about just a Rebel, it's from like 1994.

September 1st, 2003, 03:51 AM	#3
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	Do you plan on shooting black and white and doing your own printing, or have you found a quality developer in your area? If I was serious about my 35 mm photography, I wouldn't just trust my pictures to Wal-Mart... __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 1st, 2003, 06:31 AM	#6
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	Alex, your high school probably has photography classes you can sign up for. Classes are a great way to get involved in photography. If you can't get into your schools classes yet, check out what's available from local colleges, libraries, museums etc. Many of these institutions have adult education classes. The current state of the art in color negative film processing and printing is, arguably, the Fuji Frontier. Frontiers also use the color paper, Fuji Crystal Archive, that is generally regarded as the best color paper on the market. Where can you find these great machines? WalMart (some), Sam's Club, Ritz Cameras (some) and a few local processors. You're unlikely to find these at your smaller chains and mom and pop camera stores. Why? The Starting price for a Frontier is around $350,000. The higher end Frontiers (faster, more prints per minute) are around $500,000. While I don't normally recommend WalMart as a bastion of high tech, in this case their enormous investment in state of the art processing equipment gives them a decided edge. Give their in store processing a try. The price is cheap and the quality should be high. Not all WalMarts have the Frontiers yet, and the out of store processing does not use Frontiers. Sam's Club requires a membership and Ritz has a Frequent Foto Club that offers competitive processing discounts. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 1st, 2003, 02:25 AM	#2
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	There you go. Hopefully you'll get it intact. :)

September 1st, 2003, 04:27 AM	#4
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Did someone mention B&W? Robert makes a good point about developing your own negs and prints. There are so many options out there in way of B&W film and chemicals. I used to develop my own film, but alas, the washroom's the only place I can set up shop these days. What I did was look around until I found someone that can actually do a decent developing job, and at a reasonable price---mind you, Walmart would probably be 3X cheaper. My only complaint is that I have to settle with semi-gloss. My favourite all-around B&W film is Ilford Delta 400, although for print stuff, done "in-studio," I prefer the Delta 100. Alex, you can push and pull B&W, as well as with slides, but with color film you don't have this luxury, as far as I know. Don't ask me for a good color film suggestion. I don't have one. :)

September 1st, 2003, 04:50 AM	#5
Bryan Gateb Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Indian Wells, CA Posts: 27	nice -- the family has an EOS Rebel S i believe -- we've had it forever, and we'll soon be looking into Digital SLR ::drool:: -- the Canon 10D looks like a nice camera :)

September 1st, 2003, 06:57 AM	#7
Zac Stein Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 730	I would def get into b&w photography it is so much fun to smell like vinegar. But seriously, it makes you feel so much more intune with what you are doing. You feel like the entire process is one of your very own. I finish my pictures like most do these days, with a negative scanner. I hardly get prints anymore, never with b&w. Epson has a nice flatbed i believe the model number is 3200, don't know about US prices. I use a canon fs4000 dedicated film scanner which has a nice scanning rez of 4000dpi. I would start at first with negative film, not reversal, not until you get used to it, and make use of a grey card until you are used to what should be safely in exposure and so on. I also rec. the ilford range of b&w negs, lovely stuff, the HP5 pushes very well right up to 3200iso and the delta 400 is a great all around neg. BTW if you shoot b&w you MUST use a minus blue filter, such as a yellow or if you want more intense orange filter. Red if you love very very high contrast. Or else your photos will look like a flat mess. Here are some examples using ilford delta 3200. Mind you these are compressed right down for web storage. They are also extremely raw, no correction at all. http://www.mindfreeproductions.com/test/oldhouse.jpg http://www.mindfreeproductions.com/test/littleman.jpg http://www.mindfreeproductions.com/t...iralstairs.jpg http://www.mindfreeproductions.com/t...ralstairs1.jpg http://www.mindfreeproductions.com/g...ines1small.jpg http://www.mindfreeproductions.com/g...metalsmall.jpg The ratty dirty look to them was intentional, to add to the feel. These were taken with a canon eos 500n or as you know it a rebel s, with a canon eos 50mm 1.8f lens with a cokin orange filter. You are getting into fantastic artform that can only improve your video, enjoy it always. Zac

September 1st, 2003, 12:24 PM	#8
Alex Knappenberger High School Student Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canton, Ohio, USA Posts: 609	No wonder why I haven't gotten any emails from him, heh. I signed up for that ebay account like 2+ years ago, and I had used my ISP Email, which I don't have access to anymore, and he sent all the emails there. Oh well. He's a nice guy and he understood, and I'm going to Paypal him in a minute, and he said he will have it shipped out tomorrow.

September 1st, 2003, 01:33 PM	#9
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	As Zac suggested, a yellow or orange filter improves the contrast for shooting B&W. I also find that a good UV also improves the pics, expecially at higher elevations. B&W is a totally different beast than color, and I find myself screwing up less with B&W than color prints. It's just that most people prefer color. Luckily, I'm color blind. :)

September 3rd, 2003, 11:29 AM	#10
Imran Zaidi Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,315	I have a Rebel 2000 myself, and it is excellent for the money. I've had it for perhaps 3 years now I think, and it's performed without fail, and without a single problem for that entire time. I also dabble in b&w photography, though I do plenty of color as well. I also regularly use the Ilford Delta 3200 speed film, and love it. I use it with a Red Cokin filter for maximized contrast for that cool, contrasty and grainy feel. Here's a sample pic I took with the Rebel 2000 using that Ilford 3200 film with the Red filter, with just natural light coming through a window on the right... http://www.theseventhlevel.net/images/GirlsRule.jpg