Glidecam 4000 with a VX2100? at DVinfo.net

Nick Weeks · February 5th, 2006, 07:43 PM

Anyone used a Glidecam 4000 with the smaller cameras, such as the VX2100?

I'm buying an XL1s and instead of buying the Glidecam 2000 and 4000, I was wondering how well the 4000 is going to work with my VX2100?

Nick Weeks · March 4th, 2006, 05:15 PM

I hate to bring this back up, but can anyone offer some info?

Michael Salzlechner · March 5th, 2006, 06:51 AM

Nick

did you try emailing glidecam ?

Nick Weeks · March 5th, 2006, 12:35 PM

I always overlook the obvious. I'll give that a try

Thanks

Terry Thompson · March 5th, 2006, 11:50 PM

Nick,

The VX2100 will work fine with the 4000. You'll have a sore arm if you shoot for very long but the 4000 will handle the weight easily.

Tery

Nick Weeks · March 6th, 2006, 07:26 AM

Well, as far as wrist/forearm support, what about the "forearm brace" they sell for this series of Glidecam. Have you used one? Does it help with fatigue?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ughType=search

Boyd Ostroff · March 6th, 2006, 07:50 AM

What are your expectations from the Glidecam? I have the 2000 and have used it with my little 2 pound PDX-10. Even with a camera that small I don't think I could use it for more than maybe a minute. Recently I tried it with my Z1; I was limited to a much shorter time with that size camera. I'd question whether you could do anything very serious using a handheld stabilizer with a camera as big and heavy as the XL1s. Unless you're really strong I think you'll only be able to shoot a few seconds at a time.

How much does your camera weigh? Find something that weighs twice that much, then hold it with your arm outstretched at a 45 degree angle and see how quickly you become fatigued. That will give you some idea what it will be like.

Nick Weeks · March 6th, 2006, 11:29 AM

Thanks Boyd, I've never actually used one of these, and no local store has one to try. My XL1s has an MA-200 and the CH-910 dual battery holder/charger with 2 BP-945 batteries, so it weighs a good bit more than "stock." I guess I will have to look into some type of vest system... I was just looking for lowest cost, but if you say I won't be able to support it for more than a few minutes, it may not be useful at all to me.

John C. Chu · March 6th, 2006, 02:00 PM

I'm not a huge fan of the Glidecam.

The great things about the Glidecam is that it is beefy and strong and built like a tank.

The negative aspect is that the rig itself its pretty heavy and that is *before* you put a camera on it.

It's real a pain to fine tune fore and aft balance on the Glidecam....because, you have to loosen four thumbscrews and try to slide the whole stage just a hair forward and back to dial it in. [And being in balance could mean just a hair difference]. Too much, too little...
[I'm a Steadicam JR fan--so I'm biased.]

If you add a quick release plate, you also end up adding more weight to the rig...which itself is pretty 'heavy'--and with the camera mounted on it...you are getting up there.[Your arms will start to tremble under the weight with the heavier cam]

The Steadicam JR will work with the VX-1000, but with weights...but to me---the ultimate handheld stabilizer is the new Merlin...it should work wonders with your cam.[Because the Merlin is supposed to be light]

It's easy to use, folds up and fine tuning your balance is easy due to the micrometer adjustments on the Merlin/JR.

One of the pluses the of Merlin/JR is that you hold it directly below the camera, this should help with the weight issue, and should allow you lots of freedom in movement.

Go to Tiffen and download the Merlin manual...you will see what I mean.

You won't need a vest/arm to operate this.

Boyd Ostroff · March 6th, 2006, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Weeks

if you say I won't be able to support it for more than a few minutes, it may not be useful at all to me.

Actually, I'm thinking "seconds" and not "minutes"....

Nick Weeks · March 6th, 2006, 02:17 PM

The Merlin looks like a great alternative to the Glidecam. A little more pricey than the Glidecam, but it looks like its more comfortable. John, have you actually used a Merlin? Or has anyone used one of these?

John C. Chu · March 6th, 2006, 03:55 PM

It is basically a lighter, stronger JR.

The principles and adjustments are exactly the same as the JR.

But because it is lighter/stronger/more rigid...you can add enough counterweight to support the heavier cams.

The JR is pushing it, if you add more weight.

[Something about g-forces you can generate when you 'whip' that the thing around violently.]

I will treat myself to a Merlin, but not yet...

One of the best things of getting the JR or the Merlin, is you have a great instruction video/VHS/dvd on how to set up and use the thing.

One more thing...do not get the "Steadytracker" [in my opinion]...that thing will be strong enough to support your camera--but since it does NOT have a gimble...your wrist becomes the gimble...and it becomes very painful to use.

Mikko Wilson · March 6th, 2006, 05:37 PM

Merlin won't fly an XL series camera.

For an XL1 with the MA200 and the dual battery holder runnign at full load, i'd definatly recomend the Steadicam Flyer.
I'm not even sure if the Smooth shooter can handle that load without trouble. - Let alone anyone's own arm!

- Mikko

Nick Weeks · March 6th, 2006, 05:49 PM

Yea the XL1 with all the extras is pretty heavy, but it works great for shoulder use. If I was going to use the XL for the steadicam, I would take those extras off, or jsut use the VX2100 for the shots as it would probably be easier to handle

Terry Thompson · March 6th, 2006, 08:31 PM

Nick,

You know that it's hard to frame a steadicam shot using an XL1 without adding an external monitor. We flew one for a customer and found that the eyepiece had to be moved to the right side and still it wasn't easy to see.

Unless you have a full body mounted rig the XL1 isn't the best choice in cameras for handheld anything other than shoulder mounted. You can use the 2100 for a short time but it will "get to you" eventually.

The "forearm brace" made by Glidecam does help the wrist but I found it transfers the weight to the shoulder.

A simple help is to get a tennis elbow brace made by ACE or whomever and put it on the arm doing the holding (of course). It seems to help me a lot when I shoot with my sled off my arm support for short clips.

I have tried out the JR and the Merlin. The Merlin is an engineering wonder and fits the bill for the shorter jobs or with smaller cameras. Weight is weight.

Tery

February 5th, 2006, 07:43 PM	#1
Nick Weeks Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Birmingham, AL USA Posts: 722	Glidecam 4000 with a VX2100? Anyone used a Glidecam 4000 with the smaller cameras, such as the VX2100? I'm buying an XL1s and instead of buying the Glidecam 2000 and 4000, I was wondering how well the 4000 is going to work with my VX2100?

March 5th, 2006, 06:51 AM	#3
Michael Salzlechner Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Royal Palm Beach, FL, US Posts: 228	Nick did you try emailing glidecam ? __________________ Michael Salzlechner

March 5th, 2006, 11:50 PM	#5
Terry Thompson Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Auburn, CA Posts: 578	Nick, The VX2100 will work fine with the 4000. You'll have a sore arm if you shoot for very long but the 4000 will handle the weight easily. Tery __________________ He's only mostly sDEADy. sort of from "The Princess Bride" www.indicam.com

March 6th, 2006, 05:37 PM	#13
Mikko Wilson Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Juneau, Alaska, USA Posts: 624	Merlin won't fly an XL series camera. For an XL1 with the MA200 and the dual battery holder runnign at full load, i'd definatly recomend the Steadicam Flyer. I'm not even sure if the Smooth shooter can handle that load without trouble. - Let alone anyone's own arm! - Mikko __________________ Mikko Wilson - Steadicam Owner / Operator - Juneau, Alaska, USA +1 (907) 321-8387 - mikkowilson@hotmail.com - www.mikkowilson.com

March 6th, 2006, 08:31 PM	#15
Terry Thompson Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Auburn, CA Posts: 578	Nick, You know that it's hard to frame a steadicam shot using an XL1 without adding an external monitor. We flew one for a customer and found that the eyepiece had to be moved to the right side and still it wasn't easy to see. Unless you have a full body mounted rig the XL1 isn't the best choice in cameras for handheld anything other than shoulder mounted. You can use the 2100 for a short time but it will "get to you" eventually. The "forearm brace" made by Glidecam does help the wrist but I found it transfers the weight to the shoulder. A simple help is to get a tennis elbow brace made by ACE or whomever and put it on the arm doing the holding (of course). It seems to help me a lot when I shoot with my sled off my arm support for short clips. I have tried out the JR and the Merlin. The Merlin is an engineering wonder and fits the bill for the shorter jobs or with smaller cameras. Weight is weight. Tery __________________ He's only mostly sDEADy. sort of from "The Princess Bride" www.indicam.com

March 4th, 2006, 05:15 PM	#2
Nick Weeks Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Birmingham, AL USA Posts: 722	I hate to bring this back up, but can anyone offer some info?

March 5th, 2006, 12:35 PM	#4
Nick Weeks Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Birmingham, AL USA Posts: 722	I always overlook the obvious. I'll give that a try Thanks

March 6th, 2006, 07:26 AM	#6
Nick Weeks Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Birmingham, AL USA Posts: 722	Well, as far as wrist/forearm support, what about the "forearm brace" they sell for this series of Glidecam. Have you used one? Does it help with fatigue? http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ughType=search

March 6th, 2006, 07:50 AM	#7
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	What are your expectations from the Glidecam? I have the 2000 and have used it with my little 2 pound PDX-10. Even with a camera that small I don't think I could use it for more than maybe a minute. Recently I tried it with my Z1; I was limited to a much shorter time with that size camera. I'd question whether you could do anything very serious using a handheld stabilizer with a camera as big and heavy as the XL1s. Unless you're really strong I think you'll only be able to shoot a few seconds at a time. How much does your camera weigh? Find something that weighs twice that much, then hold it with your arm outstretched at a 45 degree angle and see how quickly you become fatigued. That will give you some idea what it will be like.

March 6th, 2006, 11:29 AM	#8
Nick Weeks Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Birmingham, AL USA Posts: 722	Thanks Boyd, I've never actually used one of these, and no local store has one to try. My XL1s has an MA-200 and the CH-910 dual battery holder/charger with 2 BP-945 batteries, so it weighs a good bit more than "stock." I guess I will have to look into some type of vest system... I was just looking for lowest cost, but if you say I won't be able to support it for more than a few minutes, it may not be useful at all to me.

March 6th, 2006, 02:00 PM	#9
John C. Chu Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Rego Park , NYC Posts: 665	I'm not a huge fan of the Glidecam. The great things about the Glidecam is that it is beefy and strong and built like a tank. The negative aspect is that the rig itself its pretty heavy and that is before you put a camera on it. It's real a pain to fine tune fore and aft balance on the Glidecam....because, you have to loosen four thumbscrews and try to slide the whole stage just a hair forward and back to dial it in. [And being in balance could mean just a hair difference]. Too much, too little... [I'm a Steadicam JR fan--so I'm biased.] If you add a quick release plate, you also end up adding more weight to the rig...which itself is pretty 'heavy'--and with the camera mounted on it...you are getting up there.[Your arms will start to tremble under the weight with the heavier cam] The Steadicam JR will work with the VX-1000, but with weights...but to me---the ultimate handheld stabilizer is the new Merlin...it should work wonders with your cam.[Because the Merlin is supposed to be light] It's easy to use, folds up and fine tuning your balance is easy due to the micrometer adjustments on the Merlin/JR. One of the pluses the of Merlin/JR is that you hold it directly below the camera, this should help with the weight issue, and should allow you lots of freedom in movement. Go to Tiffen and download the Merlin manual...you will see what I mean. You won't need a vest/arm to operate this.

March 6th, 2006, 02:17 PM	#11
Nick Weeks Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Birmingham, AL USA Posts: 722	The Merlin looks like a great alternative to the Glidecam. A little more pricey than the Glidecam, but it looks like its more comfortable. John, have you actually used a Merlin? Or has anyone used one of these?

March 6th, 2006, 03:55 PM	#12
John C. Chu Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Rego Park , NYC Posts: 665	It is basically a lighter, stronger JR. The principles and adjustments are exactly the same as the JR. But because it is lighter/stronger/more rigid...you can add enough counterweight to support the heavier cams. The JR is pushing it, if you add more weight. [Something about g-forces you can generate when you 'whip' that the thing around violently.] I will treat myself to a Merlin, but not yet... One of the best things of getting the JR or the Merlin, is you have a great instruction video/VHS/dvd on how to set up and use the thing. One more thing...do not get the "Steadytracker" [in my opinion]...that thing will be strong enough to support your camera--but since it does NOT have a gimble...your wrist becomes the gimble...and it becomes very painful to use.

March 6th, 2006, 05:49 PM	#14
Nick Weeks Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Birmingham, AL USA Posts: 722	Yea the XL1 with all the extras is pretty heavy, but it works great for shoulder use. If I was going to use the XL for the steadicam, I would take those extras off, or jsut use the VX2100 for the shots as it would probably be easier to handle