film cameras on homebuilt stabilizers... at DVinfo.net

Charles King · April 25th, 2004, 10:44 AM

who said it can't be done. Here is a link to one HBS member who flies a Arri SR2 camera with his homebuilt system. Now, did someone say it can't be done...? Ha!

http://www.andreaskielb.de/test.htm

Charles Papert · May 5th, 2004, 12:32 AM

Nice one! Anyone flying 35mm on their homebuilts, Charles?

That's a good looking rig he's built. Possibly a bit of twist to the vest, sending the pitch of the arm into that uncomfortable "have to rein it in"state, yeah?

One of these days, Charles, I'll have to scan in the pictures from the homebuild I made in 1984--think you'll get a kick out of it!

Charles King · May 5th, 2004, 05:12 AM

He's building a new arm at the present time, alittle more beefier. Not though. Would love to see your arm Charles P. so I can put it up on HBS to show the others. It'll be a previlege to have it on the site ;)

Charles Papert · May 5th, 2004, 01:52 PM

On the list of "to do's" Charles.

Speaking of arm pitch, I noticed the brochure image of the new Tiffen "Clipper" rig doing just that to a surprising degree!

Charles King · May 5th, 2004, 02:25 PM

I didn't notice that. I'll have another look at it.

Charles King · May 5th, 2004, 02:33 PM

Well CharlesP. I just check the pic out and I don't see at all. In fact the árm blocks the view of the vest. BTW, is that the provid dual action arm the clipper is using? Arm capacity between 7.5-13kg. And that's with one spring per section. cool.

It seems that they must have done some modification to the mini steadicam vest because they are both bundled with the flyer ans clipper.

Oh I forgot. Just sent a copy of my book to Ira Tiffen upon his request and I've sent one over to Garret Brown and another one for signing :)

Charles Papert · May 5th, 2004, 11:04 PM

By arm pitch I'm referring to the attitude of the arm relative to level ground. The vertical members of the Clipper are leaning alarmingly to the right in the picture, meaning that if the operator was to let go with his right hand, the rig would instantly fly off the right side of the page (and possibly knock over my pal Laurie White in the Vector on p. 5!) Even with a countering body lean, the arm is clearly misadjusted. As you know, I am a strong crusader of two-axis pitch adjustment on every rig that incorporates an arm and vest, as I feel that even a slight imbalance in arm pitch will be a major fatigue factor.

Charles King · May 6th, 2004, 02:01 AM

Got you. Good point

Cosmin Rotaru · May 7th, 2004, 05:43 AM

Downloaded theyr "3NewSteadicamFliers.pdf". You can clearly see the diference between the VECTOR and the CLIPPER. The FLYER is also well adjusted.
You're right Charles P., the CLIPPER is way off! It seems like the guy is using his left arm also to hold the rig in place - so the post is lean to his left side because of the hard grip...

Charles Papert · May 7th, 2004, 09:49 AM

I brought this up in the course of other conversation with the powers that be & apparently it was a slip-up that wasn't detected in time before NAB. My guess is that this particular image won't be seen again, while the Flyer and Vector stills probably will be around for a while.

April 25th, 2004, 10:44 AM	#1
Charles King Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 795	film cameras on homebuilt stabilizers... who said it can't be done. Here is a link to one HBS member who flies a Arri SR2 camera with his homebuilt system. Now, did someone say it can't be done...? Ha! http://www.andreaskielb.de/test.htm __________________ Charles 'What we perceive to be may not be what we believe to be.'

May 5th, 2004, 12:32 AM	#2
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	Nice one! Anyone flying 35mm on their homebuilts, Charles? That's a good looking rig he's built. Possibly a bit of twist to the vest, sending the pitch of the arm into that uncomfortable "have to rein it in"state, yeah? One of these days, Charles, I'll have to scan in the pictures from the homebuild I made in 1984--think you'll get a kick out of it! __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

May 5th, 2004, 05:12 AM	#3
Charles King Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 795	He's building a new arm at the present time, alittle more beefier. Not though. Would love to see your arm Charles P. so I can put it up on HBS to show the others. It'll be a previlege to have it on the site ;) __________________ Charles 'What we perceive to be may not be what we believe to be.'

May 5th, 2004, 01:52 PM	#4
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	On the list of "to do's" Charles. Speaking of arm pitch, I noticed the brochure image of the new Tiffen "Clipper" rig doing just that to a surprising degree! __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

May 5th, 2004, 02:25 PM	#5
Charles King Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 795	I didn't notice that. I'll have another look at it. __________________ Charles 'What we perceive to be may not be what we believe to be.'

May 5th, 2004, 02:33 PM	#6
Charles King Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 795	Well CharlesP. I just check the pic out and I don't see at all. In fact the árm blocks the view of the vest. BTW, is that the provid dual action arm the clipper is using? Arm capacity between 7.5-13kg. And that's with one spring per section. cool. It seems that they must have done some modification to the mini steadicam vest because they are both bundled with the flyer ans clipper. Oh I forgot. Just sent a copy of my book to Ira Tiffen upon his request and I've sent one over to Garret Brown and another one for signing :) __________________ Charles 'What we perceive to be may not be what we believe to be.'

May 5th, 2004, 11:04 PM	#7
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	By arm pitch I'm referring to the attitude of the arm relative to level ground. The vertical members of the Clipper are leaning alarmingly to the right in the picture, meaning that if the operator was to let go with his right hand, the rig would instantly fly off the right side of the page (and possibly knock over my pal Laurie White in the Vector on p. 5!) Even with a countering body lean, the arm is clearly misadjusted. As you know, I am a strong crusader of two-axis pitch adjustment on every rig that incorporates an arm and vest, as I feel that even a slight imbalance in arm pitch will be a major fatigue factor. __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

May 6th, 2004, 02:01 AM	#8
Charles King Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 795	Got you. Good point __________________ Charles 'What we perceive to be may not be what we believe to be.'

May 7th, 2004, 05:43 AM	#9
Cosmin Rotaru Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Romania, Timisoara Posts: 453	Downloaded theyr "3NewSteadicamFliers.pdf". You can clearly see the diference between the VECTOR and the CLIPPER. The FLYER is also well adjusted. You're right Charles P., the CLIPPER is way off! It seems like the guy is using his left arm also to hold the rig in place - so the post is lean to his left side because of the hard grip... __________________ Cosmin Rotaru

May 7th, 2004, 09:49 AM	#10
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	I brought this up in the course of other conversation with the powers that be & apparently it was a slip-up that wasn't detected in time before NAB. My guess is that this particular image won't be seen again, while the Flyer and Vector stills probably will be around for a while. __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com