New stabilizer arm?

Charles King · February 14th, 2004, 10:34 AM

Yes it can be done. Looking at the pic you would miss it. Here is a pic of the spring adjuster:

http://homebuiltstabilizers.com/springtensioningcap.JPG

I guess you didn't see it just by looking att the first picture at first glance did you?

Well everything is detailed in my book. The design is a GPI design but in reverse. Simply put, the design uses tension springs instead of compression springs.

Casey Visco · February 14th, 2004, 12:17 PM

Charles K,

Thanks for the clarification, you couldnt really see that in the photo that Lars had posted.

Charles King · February 14th, 2004, 12:29 PM

You are welcome.

Charles Papert · February 14th, 2004, 01:36 PM

At one of the last Malibu workshops Garrett brought along an arm he had had made as a prototype for a new version of the Steadicam Mini. Basically a downscaling of the iso-elastic concept used in the Ultra arm. By looking at it, you would think "there's nothing in there--why would that work" but it worked like gangbusters; tracked beautifully and smoothly, and very little bounce even with such little mass as a Mini setup. I should know better than to judge the effectiveness of an unfamiliar arm design by looking at it after that!

Sadly Tiffen has not implemented that design into their Mini, which still ships with an all but useless arm in comparison.

Charles, I'm curious, since you are using a vertical pin design to attach the arm to the vest, do you have a way to adjust the pitch of the arm in two axes (such as is afforded by the standard Steadicam socket block)?

Charles King · February 14th, 2004, 01:53 PM

"Charles, I'm curious, since you are using a vertical pin design to attach the arm to the vest, do you have a way to adjust the pitch of the arm in two axes (such as is afforded by the standard Steadicam socket block)?"

That is being worked on at the moment but sadly it won't be available any time soon. I'm trying out a different approach. In the mean time, I've constructed a simple, little mundane approach to this matter.

Unfortunately I don't have my digital camera on hand to post a pic of it. When I do, I'll let you know. It's not adjustable in flight. That is, I have to remove the arm to adjust the fore and aft. I did not include a side to side due to the complication of the design. The fore and aft will have to do for the moment.

Rob Lohman · February 15th, 2004, 05:07 PM

So what's your book going to be about Charles K.? Just describing
your experience or also a detailed howto build like Cody's plans?

Charles King · February 15th, 2004, 06:59 PM

Rob.

The book is basically about my rig and the methods in which I used to build it. It's like a personal journal for my rig. It's very short and concise. It explains the steadicam system invented by Mr Brown and host pics upon pics. Majority of them will be my entire rig, showing the different parts in detail.

The book will include a gallery show-casing systems built by other people. I also state my learned experices in the process as well as little tips, links etc for info and inspiration. There are pics of my dolly,matte box, steadicam systems, GPI and glidecam. It also list the many stabilizer companies there are.

I rely heavily on pics because I feel this is a very effective method in understanding something better. The entire book is filled with about 50-60% pics. It als includes thoughts by Thanh Le about building a rig. I also give my personal advice on home built rigs and little more.

This is not a show-you-how-to-build a steadicam-like device. I feel this a is more of a personal thing than a straight in you face type subject. To write such a book would be very demanding and time-consuming if one is to do it right.

Maybe a subject for someone else who has the time and patience.

On the whole it makes for good reading,browsing (if for inspiration) or just some kind of reference. I've also put a small review about Cody's plans and some other sites and forum's to visit. I've included this forum as a tip to others to check out

I do list however the tips to get one started on the road. Not much but a start.

Lars Gustav · February 15th, 2004, 07:03 PM

I didn't mean to stir up anything, Charles K. but I am glad you and the others have made up.

BTW, Great book cover. Put me down for a copy of your book.

Charles King · February 15th, 2004, 07:08 PM

"I didn't mean to stir up anything, Charles K. but I am glad you and the others have made up."

No worries Lars. A good feud i good for the soul ;) It was just a little misunderstanding with the photo, that's all. I'm always open to criticism( only if they make sense).

Just HBS forum for updates in a couple of months, maybe sooner.

Lars Gustav · February 15th, 2004, 07:11 PM

Great to know charles. One question. Have the company who makes the steadicam know about the book? What about Garret?

Charles King · February 15th, 2004, 07:14 PM

Tiffen himself as already requested two copies - one for the company and one for Mr. Brown to add to his collection.

I'm not too sure if Mr Brown knows but I would assume Mr. Tiffen has already informed him of the site and the book.

Lars Gustav · February 15th, 2004, 07:14 PM

Great!

Casey Visco · February 15th, 2004, 09:39 PM

Hardly what I would call a "feud".

Charles King · February 16th, 2004, 01:47 AM

Just playing with words Casey. ;)

Lars Gustav · February 19th, 2004, 08:30 AM

when will your arm be ready, charles? Eager to see how it looks in the end.

February 14th, 2004, 10:34 AM	#16
Charles King Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 795	Yes it can be done. Looking at the pic you would miss it. Here is a pic of the spring adjuster: http://homebuiltstabilizers.com/springtensioningcap.JPG I guess you didn't see it just by looking att the first picture at first glance did you? Well everything is detailed in my book. The design is a GPI design but in reverse. Simply put, the design uses tension springs instead of compression springs. __________________ Charles 'What we perceive to be may not be what we believe to be.'

February 14th, 2004, 12:17 PM	#17
Casey Visco Major Player Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 280	Charles K, Thanks for the clarification, you couldnt really see that in the photo that Lars had posted. __________________ Casey Visco Glidecam Industries, Inc.

February 14th, 2004, 12:29 PM	#18
Charles King Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 795	You are welcome. __________________ Charles 'What we perceive to be may not be what we believe to be.'

February 14th, 2004, 01:36 PM	#19
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	At one of the last Malibu workshops Garrett brought along an arm he had had made as a prototype for a new version of the Steadicam Mini. Basically a downscaling of the iso-elastic concept used in the Ultra arm. By looking at it, you would think "there's nothing in there--why would that work" but it worked like gangbusters; tracked beautifully and smoothly, and very little bounce even with such little mass as a Mini setup. I should know better than to judge the effectiveness of an unfamiliar arm design by looking at it after that! Sadly Tiffen has not implemented that design into their Mini, which still ships with an all but useless arm in comparison. Charles, I'm curious, since you are using a vertical pin design to attach the arm to the vest, do you have a way to adjust the pitch of the arm in two axes (such as is afforded by the standard Steadicam socket block)? __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

February 14th, 2004, 01:53 PM	#20
Charles King Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 795	"Charles, I'm curious, since you are using a vertical pin design to attach the arm to the vest, do you have a way to adjust the pitch of the arm in two axes (such as is afforded by the standard Steadicam socket block)?" That is being worked on at the moment but sadly it won't be available any time soon. I'm trying out a different approach. In the mean time, I've constructed a simple, little mundane approach to this matter. Unfortunately I don't have my digital camera on hand to post a pic of it. When I do, I'll let you know. It's not adjustable in flight. That is, I have to remove the arm to adjust the fore and aft. I did not include a side to side due to the complication of the design. The fore and aft will have to do for the moment. __________________ Charles 'What we perceive to be may not be what we believe to be.'

February 15th, 2004, 05:07 PM	#21
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	So what's your book going to be about Charles K.? Just describing your experience or also a detailed howto build like Cody's plans? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 15th, 2004, 06:59 PM	#22
Charles King Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 795	Rob. The book is basically about my rig and the methods in which I used to build it. It's like a personal journal for my rig. It's very short and concise. It explains the steadicam system invented by Mr Brown and host pics upon pics. Majority of them will be my entire rig, showing the different parts in detail. The book will include a gallery show-casing systems built by other people. I also state my learned experices in the process as well as little tips, links etc for info and inspiration. There are pics of my dolly,matte box, steadicam systems, GPI and glidecam. It also list the many stabilizer companies there are. I rely heavily on pics because I feel this is a very effective method in understanding something better. The entire book is filled with about 50-60% pics. It als includes thoughts by Thanh Le about building a rig. I also give my personal advice on home built rigs and little more. This is not a show-you-how-to-build a steadicam-like device. I feel this a is more of a personal thing than a straight in you face type subject. To write such a book would be very demanding and time-consuming if one is to do it right. Maybe a subject for someone else who has the time and patience. On the whole it makes for good reading,browsing (if for inspiration) or just some kind of reference. I've also put a small review about Cody's plans and some other sites and forum's to visit. I've included this forum as a tip to others to check out I do list however the tips to get one started on the road. Not much but a start. __________________ Charles 'What we perceive to be may not be what we believe to be.'

February 15th, 2004, 07:03 PM	#23
Lars Gustav Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sweden Posts: 33	I didn't mean to stir up anything, Charles K. but I am glad you and the others have made up. BTW, Great book cover. Put me down for a copy of your book. __________________ Lars

February 15th, 2004, 07:08 PM	#24
Charles King Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 795	"I didn't mean to stir up anything, Charles K. but I am glad you and the others have made up." No worries Lars. A good feud i good for the soul ;) It was just a little misunderstanding with the photo, that's all. I'm always open to criticism( only if they make sense). Just HBS forum for updates in a couple of months, maybe sooner. __________________ Charles 'What we perceive to be may not be what we believe to be.'

February 15th, 2004, 07:11 PM	#25
Lars Gustav Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sweden Posts: 33	Great to know charles. One question. Have the company who makes the steadicam know about the book? What about Garret? __________________ Lars

February 15th, 2004, 07:14 PM	#26
Charles King Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 795	Tiffen himself as already requested two copies - one for the company and one for Mr. Brown to add to his collection. I'm not too sure if Mr Brown knows but I would assume Mr. Tiffen has already informed him of the site and the book. __________________ Charles 'What we perceive to be may not be what we believe to be.'

February 15th, 2004, 07:14 PM	#27
Lars Gustav Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sweden Posts: 33	Great! __________________ Lars

February 15th, 2004, 09:39 PM	#28
Casey Visco Major Player Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 280	Hardly what I would call a "feud". __________________ Casey Visco Glidecam Industries, Inc.

February 16th, 2004, 01:47 AM	#29
Charles King Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 795	Just playing with words Casey. ;) __________________ Charles 'What we perceive to be may not be what we believe to be.'

February 19th, 2004, 08:30 AM	#30
Lars Gustav Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sweden Posts: 33	when will your arm be ready, charles? Eager to see how it looks in the end. __________________ Lars