Steadicam vs. Glidecam for EX1/3

Nick Tsamandanis · February 26th, 2009, 08:44 PM

The 2 quick release plates weigh in at 290 grams, and you still need those weights at the bottom for increased stability. In my case my light needs to be powered by the large F970 battery. As a one off I could put up without the convenience of a qr plate, but not every week. Unfortunately I have very limited time to set up most times. Of course every body's situation is different, but just sharing my experience.

Sean Seah · February 27th, 2009, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Darren Ruddock

Anyone had any experience using a steadycam with the Ex1? Just wondered how it coped motion wise with steadycam movement.
Many thanks

Hi Darren. I had the opportunity to mess with the x10 3 weeks ago n I must say it does perform. However when compared to a Pilot, its still quite a little behind. The Pilot arms are better (minimal bounce), lighter (x10 has quite a heavy vest) and the sled is much more refined compared to the HD 4000. A lot of little things have been taken into the design of the Pilot so i'll say that it wins hands down except for the price.

Glidecam HD-4000 and x10 Test on Vimeo

Dave Gish · February 27th, 2009, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick Tsamandanis

In my case my light needs to be powered by the large F970 battery.

Wouldn't a new light cost a lot less than a new steadicam?

By the way, I agree about the tripod adapter / QR plate. Very necessary for most people.

Nick Tsamandanis · February 27th, 2009, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Gish

Wouldn't a new light cost a lot less than a new steadicam?

By the way, I agree about the tripod adapter / QR plate. Very necessary for most people.

C'mon Dave it's a perfect excuse for buying a new rig. -)

Cathal Hegarty · February 27th, 2009, 11:17 AM

I'm still trying to decide on which to go with for my pilot.. to go with an EX1 would probably give me more leeway.. though I'd really like to see some photos and footage of a user successfully flying with the EX3.. it's nice to read about some users experiences.. but seeing is believing.. I would imagine it's much harder to get dynamic balance correctly with the EX3 due to it's fixed monitor position.. am I wrong?

Also sorry to hijack this post with another message but can anyone recommend a good quick release plate? I could really be doing with one..

Randy Panado · February 27th, 2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Cathal Hegarty

Also sorry to hijack this post with another message but can anyone recommend a good quick release plate? I could really be doing with one..

I bought this one and I like it :

Manfrotto by Bogen Imaging | 577 Quick Release Adapter | 577

Dave Gish · February 27th, 2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Cathal Hegarty

Anyone care to post some images or footage flying an EX3 successfully on a pilot?

Images below.

Cathal Hegarty · February 28th, 2009, 05:01 AM

Thanks Randy for the reply..

Also Dave thank you so much for posting them images.. it helps me to visually get a better understanding the whole rig + accessories.. what was the total combined weight? that would pretty much be all I would need to fly with regarding accessories.. and your powering the camera from the rig right? also what shotgun are you using there? and did you achieve dynamic balance ok?

Sorry if i'm repeating questions.. I just want to be sure I make the right choice with camera..

Thanks
Cathal

Dave Gish · February 28th, 2009, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cathal Hegarty

what was the total combined weight?

With these accessories, it's right at the limit. I had to crank the blue thumbscrews all the way up to get the Pilot arm level.

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Originally Posted by Cathal Hegarty

and your powering the camera from the rig right?

Yes, using a custom cable with 2.1mm and Sony EIAJ DC right angle connectors. Note that the yellow Sony EIAJ DC plug really needs to be right angle so it doesn't hit your left cheek. I chopped that connector off the end of this cable.
Vortex Media: VIDEO & PHOTO Tools and Training
Note that the composite video out BNC connector is also right angle for the same reason.

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Originally Posted by Cathal Hegarty

also what shotgun are you using there?

Rode NTG-1 shotgun, Rode SM-3 shock mount, Rode Dead Cat windscreen, Custom cable with Neutrik NC3MRX-B & NC3FRX-B connectors.

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Originally Posted by Cathal Hegarty

and did you achieve dynamic balance ok?

Yes, dynamic balance was good. The tripod mount had to go one hole back, so it hangs off the back a little (see pictures). I also had to do this with the Sony EX1 and Z1U cameras to get dynamic balance.

Joe Lawry · February 28th, 2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Gish

With these accessories, it's right at the limit. I had to crank the blue thumbscrews all the way up to get the Pilot arm level.

I really need to buy me a scale to figure out how much my rig weighs.. because since i've had it i've never not had my arm fully cranked up.. anything less than that and it just sags.

Really need to also make a power cable for my EX1, with the camera, big battery and a big lectrosonic receiver (http://www.lectrosonics.com/wireless/400/ucr401.htm) it definitely feels like its at its maximum weight. My arm starts to sag after that..

But then you go and post pics of an EX3 rig which im sure must way more than what im flying.. no battery there though, i can definitely see how thats going to help.

Nicholas de Kock · February 28th, 2009, 10:22 PM

Go for the Steadicam, I have the Smooth Shooter, the X-10 is a Smooth Shooter with an extra arm, I don't like my Smooth Shooter very much! It's great for cheap events however when you start going professional it's no good. The Glidecam 4000 Pro has quite a few design flaws that make it impossible to recommend, the gimbal handle is fixed and placed in a stupid place, the gimbal on the Steadicam can be moved up and down. When I try to get certain angles the gimbal on the Glidecam makes contact with the plate holding the camera, it's very annoying and a deal killer. You need an external monitor for good flying, the Steadicam has one standard as it should be. The Glidecam is only useful on a flat surface, when moving over rocky, bumpy terrain forget about smooth motion.

As soon as I can afford it, I'm selling my Glidecam for a Steadicam.

February 26th, 2009, 08:44 PM	#31
Nick Tsamandanis Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 318	The 2 quick release plates weigh in at 290 grams, and you still need those weights at the bottom for increased stability. In my case my light needs to be powered by the large F970 battery. As a one off I could put up without the convenience of a qr plate, but not every week. Unfortunately I have very limited time to set up most times. Of course every body's situation is different, but just sharing my experience. __________________ Nick

February 27th, 2009, 11:17 AM	#35
Cathal Hegarty New Boot Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5	I'm still trying to decide on which to go with for my pilot.. to go with an EX1 would probably give me more leeway.. though I'd really like to see some photos and footage of a user successfully flying with the EX3.. it's nice to read about some users experiences.. but seeing is believing.. I would imagine it's much harder to get dynamic balance correctly with the EX3 due to it's fixed monitor position.. am I wrong? Also sorry to hijack this post with another message but can anyone recommend a good quick release plate? I could really be doing with one..

February 28th, 2009, 05:01 AM	#38
Cathal Hegarty New Boot Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5	Thanks Randy for the reply.. Also Dave thank you so much for posting them images.. it helps me to visually get a better understanding the whole rig + accessories.. what was the total combined weight? that would pretty much be all I would need to fly with regarding accessories.. and your powering the camera from the rig right? also what shotgun are you using there? and did you achieve dynamic balance ok? Sorry if i'm repeating questions.. I just want to be sure I make the right choice with camera.. Thanks Cathal

February 28th, 2009, 10:22 PM	#41
Nicholas de Kock Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: KLD, South Africa Posts: 983	Go for the Steadicam, I have the Smooth Shooter, the X-10 is a Smooth Shooter with an extra arm, I don't like my Smooth Shooter very much! It's great for cheap events however when you start going professional it's no good. The Glidecam 4000 Pro has quite a few design flaws that make it impossible to recommend, the gimbal handle is fixed and placed in a stupid place, the gimbal on the Steadicam can be moved up and down. When I try to get certain angles the gimbal on the Glidecam makes contact with the plate holding the camera, it's very annoying and a deal killer. You need an external monitor for good flying, the Steadicam has one standard as it should be. The Glidecam is only useful on a flat surface, when moving over rocky, bumpy terrain forget about smooth motion. As soon as I can afford it, I'm selling my Glidecam for a Steadicam.