Stabilizer for EX1 for trekking/hiking documentary at DVinfo.net

James Klatt · July 21st, 2008, 05:41 PM

I've looked around without any definitive suggestions.

I need a stabilizer for a documentary I am working on. Alot of operating will be done shooting kids as they are hiking.

I need:

1)something that is available now
2)something that I don't have to worry about slipping a disc
3)something that will give me relatively smooth footage

Is that vague enough?

Most are dayhikes, but we will have one 4 day camping excursion that we will be led by a trekking team on a moderate to difficult hikes.

What is the lowest-cost solution for the ex1 for this sort of operation?

Anybody been hiking with the EX1? Any suggestions? Thanks.

Christopher Witz · July 21st, 2008, 07:08 PM

risky flying on trails with a vest/arm/pilot. I would think a fig rig would be a good fit for an environ like trails.

Michael Wisniewski · July 21st, 2008, 08:36 PM

If you're really hiking, I think the monopod is the most useful stabilizer. It's my preferred stabilizer if I'm doing any sort of walking in the wild parts of the world. A basic monopod like the Bogen / Manfrotto 558B Video Monopod is easy to store, carry, and fast to setup. Doubles as a walking stick or you can strap it to your back pack. I like that particular monopod because the matching quick release adapter is relatively cheap.

When walking I usually:
A. collapse the monopod to it's minimum height and sling the shoulder strap over my shoulders
B. or I carry the whole rig by the handle of the camera
C. or put the lens of the camera over my shoulder like a baby.

Michael Wisniewski · July 21st, 2008, 08:39 PM

Forgot to mention the 558B monopod has a rubber shoe on the bottom if you need to grip a surface, the shoe un-screws to reveal the metal spike if you want to plant it more firmly. The rubber shoe also lets you do rudimentary-freehand tilts and pans.

Vaughan Wood · July 21st, 2008, 09:48 PM

Another vote for monopods.

I have been using monopods for weddings etc for nearly 13 years (since the first small digital cameras first came out) and find the latest manfrotto excellent to use.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...od_Deluxe.html

cheers Vaughan

Leonard Levy · July 21st, 2008, 10:20 PM

Another vote for monopod. Despite all you read here I find it superior to shoulder rigs.

I think i use a 550B, with a bogen 3232 tilt head - The tilt head is essential. Then tuck it in a fanny pack around the waist. Very flexible and easy on the body.

Only a stabilizer will give you a floating motion while walking though, but I think it would be very dangerous on a trail.

Lenny

John Gilmore · July 22nd, 2008, 03:57 AM

Is it worth going for a Fluid Monopod like the Manfrotto 562B?

Piotr Wozniacki · July 22nd, 2008, 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Gilmore

Is it worth going for a Fluid Monopod like the Manfrotto 562B?

John,

I'd go for the 561b, which has the pan head in the base, and the tilt head (simplified 701) at the top:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=97716

I've recorded a live music performance using it lately; quite stable picture I'd say:

http://www.vimeo.com/1380497

James Klatt · July 22nd, 2008, 09:23 AM

Thanks for all the helpful replies!! :)

I am still shaping my plan. I live in Portland, Oregon and all the shooting that I will be doing for this production will all be only a couple hours away whenever we do a hike. The idea of using only a monopod and maybe a shoulder attachment seems much more streamlined, which is less stressful.

I am still thinking about this...

Buck Forester · July 22nd, 2008, 11:25 AM

I definitely want the floating sensation from a stabilizer... my search continues.

James Klatt · July 22nd, 2008, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck Forester

I definitely want the floating sensation from a stabilizer... my search continues.

The Merlin is amazing, but I have heard that the ex1 is too heavy for it.

What about the dvrig or dvrig pro?

Would this be too cumbersome for hiking?

David C. Williams · July 22nd, 2008, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck Forester

I definitely want the floating sensation from a stabilizer... my search continues.

You can use a monopod for this too, you just shorten it and use your arm. Possibly add some weight to the bottom to help. Works pretty well for short periods, depending on your strength. The added bonus is the pointy end remains at the ready, for fighting off bears and German backpackers!

Other than that, for the full floater you'd have to go a steadicam merlin, arm and vest at the least, probably a pilot. That would start to get pretty unwieldy on a long hike.

Ray Bell · July 22nd, 2008, 06:32 PM

Another cool thing to do when using a monopod for hiking and such is to turn the monopod
upside down with the camera attached and shoot footage at low angles around your feet...

yes the footage is upside down.. you just flip in your NLE... adds a nice touch...

and just the opposite... you can use the monopod as a short camera boom too...

Robert Young · July 22nd, 2008, 06:52 PM

I would also vote for the 561b monopod.
For all terrain run n' gun shooting it's the best solution I have found for an EX size camera. Used as designed, with a little practice, you can get almost the stability of a tripod. With it attached but collapsed, it provides enough counterbalence to smooth out moving shots- better than I can do normal handheld anyway. You can leave it attached, hang on to the pod with one hand, cam over your shoulder, and easily move on to the next setup.
I have been disappointed with shoulder mounts: the real simple ones don't seem to be all that stable, and the stable ones seem more cumbersome & complicated than I want to deal with for "off road" shooting.

Dan Chung · July 22nd, 2008, 08:44 PM

I use a Velbon Pro pod 8 http://www.velbon.co.uk/newvelbon/pages/monopods.html

Its absolutely the best video monopod I've ever used (and I've used a lot of Manfrotto and Gitzos) and cleverly converts to a handheld stabilizer by putting the foot into a provided belt loop and then turning the carry strap into a neck strap. Kind of hard to visualise and their website doesn't help but it works. It is helped more with a small pan head and quick release system on top of the monopod.

I think it as also available as a Miller monopod http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...bon_Fiber.html

I also use the el cheapo stabilizer popular elsewhere on this board.

July 21st, 2008, 05:41 PM	#1
James Klatt Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Portland OR Posts: 132	Stabilizer for EX1 for trekking/hiking documentary I've looked around without any definitive suggestions. I need a stabilizer for a documentary I am working on. Alot of operating will be done shooting kids as they are hiking. I need: 1)something that is available now 2)something that I don't have to worry about slipping a disc 3)something that will give me relatively smooth footage Is that vague enough? Most are dayhikes, but we will have one 4 day camping excursion that we will be led by a trekking team on a moderate to difficult hikes. What is the lowest-cost solution for the ex1 for this sort of operation? Anybody been hiking with the EX1? Any suggestions? Thanks.

July 21st, 2008, 08:36 PM	#3
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	If you're really hiking, I think the monopod is the most useful stabilizer. It's my preferred stabilizer if I'm doing any sort of walking in the wild parts of the world. A basic monopod like the Bogen / Manfrotto 558B Video Monopod is easy to store, carry, and fast to setup. Doubles as a walking stick or you can strap it to your back pack. I like that particular monopod because the matching quick release adapter is relatively cheap. When walking I usually: A. collapse the monopod to it's minimum height and sling the shoulder strap over my shoulders B. or I carry the whole rig by the handle of the camera C. or put the lens of the camera over my shoulder like a baby. __________________ "Ultimately, the most extraordinary thing, in a frame, is a human being." - Martin Scorsese

July 21st, 2008, 08:39 PM	#4
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	Forgot to mention the 558B monopod has a rubber shoe on the bottom if you need to grip a surface, the shoe un-screws to reveal the metal spike if you want to plant it more firmly. The rubber shoe also lets you do rudimentary-freehand tilts and pans. __________________ "Ultimately, the most extraordinary thing, in a frame, is a human being." - Martin Scorsese

July 22nd, 2008, 06:52 PM	#14
Robert Young Trustee Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Coronado Island Posts: 1,472	I would also vote for the 561b monopod. For all terrain run n' gun shooting it's the best solution I have found for an EX size camera. Used as designed, with a little practice, you can get almost the stability of a tripod. With it attached but collapsed, it provides enough counterbalence to smooth out moving shots- better than I can do normal handheld anyway. You can leave it attached, hang on to the pod with one hand, cam over your shoulder, and easily move on to the next setup. I have been disappointed with shoulder mounts: the real simple ones don't seem to be all that stable, and the stable ones seem more cumbersome & complicated than I want to deal with for "off road" shooting. __________________ Bob

July 21st, 2008, 07:08 PM	#2
Christopher Witz Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 591	risky flying on trails with a vest/arm/pilot. I would think a fig rig would be a good fit for an environ like trails.

July 21st, 2008, 09:48 PM	#5
Vaughan Wood Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 278	Another vote for monopods. I have been using monopods for weddings etc for nearly 13 years (since the first small digital cameras first came out) and find the latest manfrotto excellent to use. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...od_Deluxe.html cheers Vaughan

July 21st, 2008, 10:20 PM	#6
Leonard Levy Trustee Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: USA Posts: 1,684	Another vote for monopod. Despite all you read here I find it superior to shoulder rigs. I think i use a 550B, with a bogen 3232 tilt head - The tilt head is essential. Then tuck it in a fanny pack around the waist. Very flexible and easy on the body. Only a stabilizer will give you a floating motion while walking though, but I think it would be very dangerous on a trail. Lenny

July 22nd, 2008, 03:57 AM	#7
John Gilmore Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: London UK Posts: 103	Is it worth going for a Fluid Monopod like the Manfrotto 562B?

July 22nd, 2008, 09:23 AM	#9
James Klatt Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Portland OR Posts: 132	Thanks for all the helpful replies!! :) I am still shaping my plan. I live in Portland, Oregon and all the shooting that I will be doing for this production will all be only a couple hours away whenever we do a hike. The idea of using only a monopod and maybe a shoulder attachment seems much more streamlined, which is less stressful. I am still thinking about this...

July 22nd, 2008, 11:25 AM	#10
Buck Forester Major Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: California Posts: 230	I definitely want the floating sensation from a stabilizer... my search continues.

July 22nd, 2008, 06:32 PM	#13
Ray Bell Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,414	Another cool thing to do when using a monopod for hiking and such is to turn the monopod upside down with the camera attached and shoot footage at low angles around your feet... yes the footage is upside down.. you just flip in your NLE... adds a nice touch... and just the opposite... you can use the monopod as a short camera boom too...

July 22nd, 2008, 08:44 PM	#15
Dan Chung Major Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Beijing Posts: 665	I use a Velbon Pro pod 8 http://www.velbon.co.uk/newvelbon/pages/monopods.html Its absolutely the best video monopod I've ever used (and I've used a lot of Manfrotto and Gitzos) and cleverly converts to a handheld stabilizer by putting the foot into a provided belt loop and then turning the carry strap into a neck strap. Kind of hard to visualise and their website doesn't help but it works. It is helped more with a small pan head and quick release system on top of the monopod. I think it as also available as a Miller monopod http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...bon_Fiber.html I also use the el cheapo stabilizer popular elsewhere on this board.