Question for charles papert

Mikko Wilson · March 3rd, 2008, 12:42 PM

Glad to hear you survived the shoot successfully. :) Thanks for letting us know how it turned out.

Good pics too.

- Mikko

Andy Graham · March 3rd, 2008, 01:39 PM

Thanks Mikko, the advice you both gave was invaluable. Its so great to have a place like this you can come to for support.

Cheers
Andy

Charles Papert · March 4th, 2008, 12:11 AM

cheers Andy, glad you survived.

BTW the arm needed some tweaking from the looks of it, the rear section was overtensioned which is why it is sticking up. The two sections should always track together. Old Master series arms were not so great so even when properly adjusted this sort of thing could happen.

As far as that being the heaviest digital goes--sadly, not even close. The Genesis with tape deck and Primo weighs probably 20lb more than that...

Suffice to say that one gets used to it after a while. The particular back muscles required tend not to get anywhere near the kind of workout that Steadicam provides, but once you get them, it's a whole different game.

good luck on your next adventure!

Andy Graham · March 4th, 2008, 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles Papert

BTW the arm needed some tweaking from the looks of it, the rear section was overtensioned which is why it is sticking up. The two sections should always track together. Old Master series arms were not so great so even when properly adjusted this sort of thing could happen.

I see, it makes sense now that i think about it, if the back section is overtensioned it effectively turns it into a single section rig cause the back section isn't taking any of the weight, its only the forward section thats doing the work.

I'll sort that next time.

I'll also need to remember if anyone asks me to shoot something with the Genesis to turn and run away!

Cheers
Andy.

Charles Papert · March 4th, 2008, 08:52 AM

Actually, if the rear section was undertensioned and was all the way in the down position, it wouldn't be taking any weight. In this instance it was overtensioned and providing plenty of lift, but it wasn't delivering the proper isolation, i.e. shock absorption so in that sense it was indeed like a single section arm where the rear section is just a solid bar.

Andy Graham · March 10th, 2008, 04:26 PM

I thought you might like a look at the press we got for the video.....funny stuff, they're a bunch of characters! thats what i meant by the steadicam being the least of my problems!

http://www.box.net/shared/static/iwo3ftbqc8.JPG

http://www.box.net/shared/static/tq8htftwkw.JPG

Sorry for the quality, i just used my cell phone.

Andy.

Niall Chadwick · March 11th, 2008, 04:05 AM

blimey Andy. Must have been slightly scary at times!

Was there any alcohol involved?

Im due to shoot a vid for a band myself soon, and I have requested that alcohol be kept to a minimum, or not at all if possible. Fingers crossed!

Tho that said, alcohol or not, whenever you are around Scots, its never dull! :)

Andy Graham · March 11th, 2008, 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niall Chadwick

alcohol or not, whenever you are around Scots, its never dull! :)

Lol, yeah i guess we get that reputation, btw there was no alcohol involved, they were all stone cold sober which is even scarier.

Iv secured filming their next few vids so it should be an interesting year.

Andy.

Niall Chadwick · March 11th, 2008, 05:17 AM

Congratulations on securing the further work, Andy

Would love to see the finished product when it becomes available.

Andy Graham · March 12th, 2008, 11:42 AM

Hey Folks, my final addition to this thread is the video its self. The guys wanted a raw feel to it and considering its probably the most run and gun thing iv ever done im happy with it and more importantly the client is happy with it which is all a cam op can ask for..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYMrkSmSLFI

It should be on MTV2 in april

Andy

Niall Chadwick · March 13th, 2008, 04:18 AM

Nice vid Andy

Can see your steadicam work in there too...Ill let the experts comment on technique.

Considering the subject material and the number of bodies involved, the fact that there was nearly a punchup is not that surprising :)

March 3rd, 2008, 12:42 PM	#16
Mikko Wilson Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Juneau, Alaska, USA Posts: 624	Glad to hear you survived the shoot successfully. :) Thanks for letting us know how it turned out. Good pics too. - Mikko __________________ Mikko Wilson - Steadicam Owner / Operator - Juneau, Alaska, USA +1 (907) 321-8387 - mikkowilson@hotmail.com - www.mikkowilson.com

March 3rd, 2008, 01:39 PM	#17
Andy Graham Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Lanark,Scotland Posts: 736	Thanks Mikko, the advice you both gave was invaluable. Its so great to have a place like this you can come to for support. Cheers Andy __________________ Actor: "where would that light be coming from?" DP: "same place as the music" -Andrew Lesnie-

March 4th, 2008, 12:11 AM	#18
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	cheers Andy, glad you survived. BTW the arm needed some tweaking from the looks of it, the rear section was overtensioned which is why it is sticking up. The two sections should always track together. Old Master series arms were not so great so even when properly adjusted this sort of thing could happen. As far as that being the heaviest digital goes--sadly, not even close. The Genesis with tape deck and Primo weighs probably 20lb more than that... Suffice to say that one gets used to it after a while. The particular back muscles required tend not to get anywhere near the kind of workout that Steadicam provides, but once you get them, it's a whole different game. good luck on your next adventure! __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

March 4th, 2008, 08:52 AM	#20
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	Actually, if the rear section was undertensioned and was all the way in the down position, it wouldn't be taking any weight. In this instance it was overtensioned and providing plenty of lift, but it wasn't delivering the proper isolation, i.e. shock absorption so in that sense it was indeed like a single section arm where the rear section is just a solid bar. __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

March 10th, 2008, 04:26 PM	#21
Andy Graham Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Lanark,Scotland Posts: 736	I thought you might like a look at the press we got for the video.....funny stuff, they're a bunch of characters! thats what i meant by the steadicam being the least of my problems! http://www.box.net/shared/static/iwo3ftbqc8.JPG http://www.box.net/shared/static/tq8htftwkw.JPG Sorry for the quality, i just used my cell phone. Andy. __________________ Actor: "where would that light be coming from?" DP: "same place as the music" -Andrew Lesnie-

March 11th, 2008, 04:05 AM	#22
Niall Chadwick Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chelmsford, Essex Posts: 83	blimey Andy. Must have been slightly scary at times! Was there any alcohol involved? Im due to shoot a vid for a band myself soon, and I have requested that alcohol be kept to a minimum, or not at all if possible. Fingers crossed! Tho that said, alcohol or not, whenever you are around Scots, its never dull! :)

March 11th, 2008, 05:17 AM	#24
Niall Chadwick Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chelmsford, Essex Posts: 83	Congratulations on securing the further work, Andy Would love to see the finished product when it becomes available.

March 12th, 2008, 11:42 AM	#25
Andy Graham Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Lanark,Scotland Posts: 736	Hey Folks, my final addition to this thread is the video its self. The guys wanted a raw feel to it and considering its probably the most run and gun thing iv ever done im happy with it and more importantly the client is happy with it which is all a cam op can ask for.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYMrkSmSLFI It should be on MTV2 in april Andy __________________ Actor: "where would that light be coming from?" DP: "same place as the music" -Andrew Lesnie- Last edited by Andy Graham; March 12th, 2008 at 05:27 PM.

March 13th, 2008, 04:18 AM	#26
Niall Chadwick Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chelmsford, Essex Posts: 83	Nice vid Andy Can see your steadicam work in there too...Ill let the experts comment on technique. Considering the subject material and the number of bodies involved, the fact that there was nearly a punchup is not that surprising :)