How did he get this shot? at DVinfo.net
DV Info Net

Go Back   DV Info Net > Most Recent Additions... > SPC - Single Person Crew
Register FAQ Today's Posts Buyer's Guides

SPC - Single Person Crew
Who said "One is the Loneliest Number?" You'll never walk alone here.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old January 27th, 2014, 10:16 AM   #1
Major Player
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Charleston, WV
Posts: 385
How did he get this shot?

I have a quick question. I was watching this video the other day and was wondering how the videographer got a few shots.

I was wondering how the first two shots were done, the 4th shot and the shot at 12 seconds.

Any idea?

Brock Burwell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 27th, 2014, 11:02 AM   #2
Trustee
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Honolulu, HI
Posts: 1,435
Re: How did he get this shot?

Looks like at least a 3 ft slider.
Warren Kawamoto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 27th, 2014, 11:26 AM   #3
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 6,609
Re: How did he get this shot?

Either a slider or a steadicam of some sort. Glidecam, Merlin or something similar.
__________________
What do I know? I'm just a video-O-grafer.
Don
Don Bloom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 27th, 2014, 11:47 AM   #4
Major Player
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Charleston, WV
Posts: 385
Re: How did he get this shot?

how much is one of those?
Brock Burwell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 27th, 2014, 12:11 PM   #5
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Camas, WA, USA
Posts: 5,513
Re: How did he get this shot?

A popular, professional choice would be the Pocket Dolly v2.0 from Kessler Crane. We use the original Pocket Dolly here at work. The v2.0 starts at $549 list.

Pocket Dolly v2.0

If you are handy, you can purchase some kitchen drawer sliders and build your own slider out of wood. That might cost $50 or so. I built one for home use, and while it works, it's definitely not as smooth as the Kessler. It's also not nearly as professional or easy to transport, for those going on paid jobs.

There are many other brands of slider and many other home-built approaches. You can also buy a motor and control for smooth slider shots during timelapses.

One thing to consider is how to support the thing. I recommend a good tripod on one end and a light stand on the other. If you use a tripod in the middle, you are likely to get some sag as the camera moves toward either end.
__________________
Jon Fairhurst
Jon Fairhurst is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 27th, 2014, 07:59 PM   #6
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Ferrisburgh, VT
Posts: 179
Re: How did he get this shot?

Hello again Brock!

Yes, that intro was definitely shot with a glider (also called sliders, or sometimes dollies), not a Steadicam, and not necessarily a very long one either. You can get that kind of shot from less than 2' of motion.

You can tell that it wan't a Steadicam because the throws are so short, so linear, and, (ironically) because it's so steady.

Cinevate makes good ones, and Edelkrone makes cheap and portable ones that look pretty cool, although I have seen some complaints about their v.1 online, so I would be careful. Here is a demo they did with their shortest slider: edelkrone sliderplus v2 small demo - YouTube
Finn Yarbrough is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 28th, 2014, 02:29 AM   #7
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Camas, WA, USA
Posts: 5,513
Re: How did he get this shot?

A dolly gets a similar shot, but its wheels are on the ground or on a track with a tripod or platform above. With a slider, the track is raised and the mechanism is much smaller and lighter, since it only has to support the camera.

Fisher Dolly is the gold standard - and overkill for most indie work:
__________________
Jon Fairhurst
Jon Fairhurst is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 12th, 2014, 01:36 PM   #8
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 76
Re: How did he get this shot?

Opteka makes some very affordable sliders. You can get as complicated as you like, or keep it simple and mount your cam directly on the slider.


Here's a little DOF test I did one minute after unboxing my Opteka slider:
Casey Danielson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 17th, 2014, 01:22 PM   #9
Major Player
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Charleston, WV
Posts: 385
Re: How did he get this shot?

Nice videos Casey.

Do you still feel the same way about the Opteka slider? You still feel like it would be a good purchase for someone starting out like me?
Brock Burwell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 17th, 2014, 09:09 PM   #10
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 76
Re: How did he get this shot?

Yes, having a small slider like this is invaluable. The 47" is great, but a shorter slider might be even better, as swinging around a long piece of aluminum indoors can be cumbersome. I'd definitely recommend the Opteka for the price.
Casey Danielson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 21st, 2014, 09:43 PM   #11
Major Player
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Houston,Texas
Posts: 289
Re: How did he get this shot?

Sliders are an invaluable tool. Just remember to buy quality the first time. I bought the Konova the first time and was totally unhappy with it. So the second time around I went with Kessler. Best decision I ever made.
Victor Nguyen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 23rd, 2014, 01:01 AM   #12
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Camas, WA, USA
Posts: 5,513
Re: How did he get this shot?

Even with a Kessler, it's hard to get that perfect shot. I have a 1st gen Pocket Dolly and even when pulling a string wrapped around the wheel, the movement isn't precise - not due to the slider but due to my ability to be smooth. Also, you need to have good support on both ends. Use inadequate support and the shot will droop at the end. Add a less-than-smooth slider to the equation and your moves will always be jumpy.

So yeah, you need good support, a good quality slider, and good technique - if not a motor drive.

At the other end of the spectrum, with a smooth surface, wax paper, and a towel, one can fake a slider move in the wild - if you can control the thing and are willing to do enough takes. :)
__________________
Jon Fairhurst
Jon Fairhurst is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 23rd, 2014, 09:31 PM   #13
Major Player
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Houston,Texas
Posts: 289
Re: How did he get this shot?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Fairhurst View Post
Even with a Kessler, it's hard to get that perfect shot.
We get perfect smooth shot all the time with Kessler... and warp stabilizer.
Victor Nguyen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 24th, 2014, 11:54 AM   #14
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Camas, WA, USA
Posts: 5,513
Re: How did he get this shot?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Victor Nguyen View Post
We get perfect smooth shot all the time with Kessler... and warp stabilizer.
I don't usually have an issue with shake. (Isn't that what Warp Stabilizer fixes?) My challenge is to get a smooth start, constant speed, and a controlled stop. It's not the equipment. It's me - the human element. I guess a large flywheel could help.

Then again, we're spoiled with computer-perfect camera motion from 3D rendered content. Just yesterday, I watched Lawrence Olivier's Hamlet (1948), which won four academy awards (Best Picture; Best Actor in a Leading Role; Best Art Direction-Set Decoration, Black-and-White; Best Costume Design, Black-and-White).

Hamlet (1948) - IMDb

The direction included huge, aggressive camera moves above and through the castle. Many of the moves were clunky. And this would have been with the very best camera cranes and dollies available in England at the time. But audiences back then had never seen a Pixar camera move. We have different expectations today.

__________________
Jon Fairhurst
Jon Fairhurst is offline   Reply
Reply

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY USA

Scan Computers Int. Ltd.
+44 0871-472-4747
Bolton, Lancashire UK


DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > Most Recent Additions... > SPC - Single Person Crew


 



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:36 PM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2024 The Digital Video Information Network