New Sony E-mount video cam for IBC

Mike Watson · September 8th, 2015, 04:30 AM

IBC is next week. I'd expect news before Monday morning, Amsterdam time.

David Heath · September 8th, 2015, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Fry

But this speculation belongs in the Area51 section, not the Industry News section.

The exact details may be speculation at this point, but it's confirmed that "something" is coming, and that the "something" will be "a new FS camera". That's direct from Sony (see the first post), so IMO it's still reasonable to keep this thread in the News section?

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Originally Posted by Mark Fry

It won't be "news" until we see the first official announcements and spec sheets. Remind me, when does IBC start?

I'd expect the details to be announced at the Sony IBC press conference, which is at 9am Central European time - so 8am in the UK - on the 11th September.

Sony's IBC2015 News & Press Centre : Broadcast & Professional A/V: Products : United Kingdom : Sony Professional

Roshdi Alkadri · September 8th, 2015, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh Bass

Thanks. But in real world practical terms, if you, say, had a cam that only shot QFHD and client wanted their final delivery in "real" 4K, so you had to upscale, would the image quality suffer noticeably or only to pixel peepers?

Most 4k TV sets are QFHD and so are TV channels who broadcast in QFHD, so I wouldn't worry about it unless you get a client who's theatrically projecting in true DCI 4K, even then it shouldn't be a problem as you're not drastically enlarging the image.

Other elements like the dynamic range, color rendition, sampling, etc. of the camera come into play when upscaling so it's always advised to start with a high quality image to begin with.

The more you pay, the more you play. With all the new cameras coming out by less known "giants" who hold their own as far as latitude, RAW processing and color sampling, we don't have to worry about it as much anymore.

David Heath · September 8th, 2015, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh Bass

Thanks. But in real world practical terms, if you, say, had a cam that only shot QFHD and client wanted their final delivery in "real" 4K, so you had to upscale, would the image quality suffer noticeably or only to pixel peepers?

This may not be the answer you want, but I don't think there's a direct answer to that. At the end of the day, it's up to your client. If they have specified they want "real 4K" - and intend 4096x2160 by that - then you could be seen to be not adhering to the contract if you shoot QFHD, crop, and rescale. It's not really a matter of what anybody thinks acceptable in terms of quality, it's being paid to deliver to a specification and not doing it.

I think the answer has to be that if you think there's much likelihood of getting paying work that specifies 4K (rather than QFHD), then just make sure you get a "true" 4K camera in the first place.

Mike Watson · September 8th, 2015, 02:18 PM

1am Pacific time on Friday - I'll be there!

Glen Vandermolen · September 9th, 2015, 06:22 PM

More rumor info from SAR:

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"New Sony F cam Friday is S35, not FF. 4K internally, but 8 bit XAVC-L (note the L) 100 Mbit max. No HFR as far as I can tell, 30fps max in 4K. Looks like a baby FS7. Price will be between old FS700 and current FS7, likely $5,000-6,500 USD. Differentiation on FS7 is much better CODEC, higher frame rates (incl 60p 4K), option for RAW and ProRes, bigger build."

Not confirmed, remember.

Cliff Totten · September 9th, 2015, 07:08 PM

I saw this same rumor. I gotta believe that Sony is going to ether give more (like UHD 60p) for a $5000+ price. If these really the specs than I must believe that the price will be lower.

If it really is a small FS7 that is SOOO heavily crippled?...I don't know but those rumored specs don't seem very interesting.

Jack Zhang · September 9th, 2015, 07:22 PM

They BETTER not limit 4K to 30 frames. Production and the new broadcast standard is 60 frames and to cripple the "missing piece" that badly makes no sense, especially since the DVX200 can to 60 frames (albeit with a massive crop factor) and can output at least 4K 8bit 4:2:2 out the HDMI with that framerate. 100mbps though worries me, cause that is the bitrate of XAVC-S 4K30p.

Give it the Long-GOP options of the FDR-AX1 and FS7 and I'll be happy. WITH 60p. Leave out 60p and I instantly am not interested.

David Peterson · September 10th, 2015, 12:55 AM

Damn, hope they don't limit it to only 8 bit. I'd personally rather give up 4K 60fps and keep 10 bit!

Ron Evans · September 10th, 2015, 06:43 AM

I am with Jack. No QFHD 60P and I am not interested. Do not see why they would discontinue the FDR-AX1 that I have and introduce a model with lower spec. Doesn't make any sense. I still think it will be a e-mount with similar spec to my FDR-AX1 but maybe XAVC-L rather than XAVC-S. That would leave spec room to the Z100 and the FS7 and room for a real replacement for the FDR_AX1 with XAVC-S.

Ron Evans

Sam Collyer · September 10th, 2015, 06:53 AM

FS5 is the model name now being reported. Still waiting on spec.

Sony PXW-FS5 is The Name of the New FS 4K Camera Coming to IBC 2015 | Cinescopophilia

Jack Zhang · September 10th, 2015, 08:38 AM

So many conflicting reports, this site reports Full Frame while SAR reports S35... Guess we'll have to stay up tonight to find out, and I will be tuning out of there is no 60p. I know others will tune out if there is no 10bit output capability.

Mike Watson · September 10th, 2015, 09:08 AM

No handle and no loupe? Better be less than $5k.

Cliff Totten · September 10th, 2015, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Zhang

So many conflicting reports, this site reports Full Frame while SAR reports S35... Guess we'll have to stay up tonight to find out, and I will be tuning out of there is no 60p. I know others will tune out if there is no 10bit output capability.

I'll bet it's a FF sensor. Sony is putting all it has into FF lens development right now. A PXW-FS5 Full Frame camera will help separate it from The FS7 nicely.

Remember...the curent A7s sensor will NOT do 4k in Super35 mode! This will very much help protect the FS7's market place from this new FS5

Mike Watson · September 10th, 2015, 11:29 AM

Excuse my ignorance.

I had assumed a larger sensor was "better". (Greater control of depth of field, greater sensitivity, etc.)

In reading this thread over the last few days, it appears that this is not necessarily so.

I personally can't see putting a smaller sensor on a more expensive camera, then putting a full frame sensor on its baby brother.

Can someone educate me?

September 8th, 2015, 04:30 AM	#31
Mike Watson Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,082	Re: New Sony E-mount video cam for IBC IBC is next week. I'd expect news before Monday morning, Amsterdam time.

September 8th, 2015, 02:18 PM	#35
Mike Watson Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,082	Re: New Sony E-mount video cam for IBC 1am Pacific time on Friday - I'll be there! Sony IBC Press Conference – available 9am CET 11 September 2015 - YouTube

September 9th, 2015, 06:22 PM	#36
Glen Vandermolen Space Hipster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 1,596	Re: New Sony E-mount video cam for IBC More rumor info from SAR: Quote: "New Sony F cam Friday is S35, not FF. 4K internally, but 8 bit XAVC-L (note the L) 100 Mbit max. No HFR as far as I can tell, 30fps max in 4K. Looks like a baby FS7. Price will be between old FS700 and current FS7, likely $5,000-6,500 USD. Differentiation on FS7 is much better CODEC, higher frame rates (incl 60p 4K), option for RAW and ProRes, bigger build." Not confirmed, remember.

September 9th, 2015, 07:08 PM	#37
Cliff Totten Trustee Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 1,197	Re: New Sony E-mount video cam for IBC I saw this same rumor. I gotta believe that Sony is going to ether give more (like UHD 60p) for a $5000+ price. If these really the specs than I must believe that the price will be lower. If it really is a small FS7 that is SOOO heavily crippled?...I don't know but those rumored specs don't seem very interesting.

September 9th, 2015, 07:22 PM	#38
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	Re: New Sony E-mount video cam for IBC They BETTER not limit 4K to 30 frames. Production and the new broadcast standard is 60 frames and to cripple the "missing piece" that badly makes no sense, especially since the DVX200 can to 60 frames (albeit with a massive crop factor) and can output at least 4K 8bit 4:2:2 out the HDMI with that framerate. 100mbps though worries me, cause that is the bitrate of XAVC-S 4K30p. Give it the Long-GOP options of the FDR-AX1 and FS7 and I'll be happy. WITH 60p. Leave out 60p and I instantly am not interested.

September 10th, 2015, 12:55 AM	#39
David Peterson Major Player Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 361	Re: New Sony E-mount video cam for IBC Damn, hope they don't limit it to only 8 bit. I'd personally rather give up 4K 60fps and keep 10 bit!

September 10th, 2015, 06:43 AM	#40
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,220	Re: New Sony E-mount video cam for IBC I am with Jack. No QFHD 60P and I am not interested. Do not see why they would discontinue the FDR-AX1 that I have and introduce a model with lower spec. Doesn't make any sense. I still think it will be a e-mount with similar spec to my FDR-AX1 but maybe XAVC-L rather than XAVC-S. That would leave spec room to the Z100 and the FS7 and room for a real replacement for the FDR_AX1 with XAVC-S. Ron Evans

September 10th, 2015, 06:53 AM	#41
Sam Collyer Tourist Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Sussex, UK Posts: 1	Re: New Sony E-mount video cam for IBC FS5 is the model name now being reported. Still waiting on spec. Sony PXW-FS5 is The Name of the New FS 4K Camera Coming to IBC 2015 \| Cinescopophilia

September 10th, 2015, 08:38 AM	#42
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	Re: New Sony E-mount video cam for IBC So many conflicting reports, this site reports Full Frame while SAR reports S35... Guess we'll have to stay up tonight to find out, and I will be tuning out of there is no 60p. I know others will tune out if there is no 10bit output capability.

September 10th, 2015, 09:08 AM	#43
Mike Watson Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,082	Re: New Sony E-mount video cam for IBC No handle and no loupe? Better be less than $5k.

September 10th, 2015, 11:29 AM	#45
Mike Watson Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,082	Re: New Sony E-mount video cam for IBC Excuse my ignorance. I had assumed a larger sensor was "better". (Greater control of depth of field, greater sensitivity, etc.) In reading this thread over the last few days, it appears that this is not necessarily so. I personally can't see putting a smaller sensor on a more expensive camera, then putting a full frame sensor on its baby brother. Can someone educate me?