S-Log Vs Cinegamma

Timur Civan · July 8th, 2011, 08:26 AM

Also, I know for a fact the Dual link board is expensive.

I'm thinking sony didn't "charge" for the dual link board in the F3 in its MSRP, or maybe only charged for a part of it, bare production materials costs. When you buy sLog, you are "paying for" the board and the firmware. This way they can sell more cameras, and the dual link being there, is quite the tasty incentive to buy the upgrade. Had the camera cost $12,800 instead of $13,300, and you had to buy a $5,000 board, that you have to send the cam away for installation etc... is less attractive to me than a $13300 camera and a special SXS card that makes it SUPER MEGA AWESOME for $4400.

Alister Chapman · July 8th, 2011, 11:38 AM

The component costs to add in dual link on the F3 are probably only a tiny fraction of the overall cost of the camera, we are only talking about a now pretty common 3G HDSDi chip, possibly the same components used on cards like the $400 3G capable decklink cards, and that's the end user price. The components themselves probably cost no more than $50 to a manufacturer like Sony, it's only a chip and a couple of BNC's.

Timur Civan · July 9th, 2011, 06:01 PM

But what bout the protocol etc for implementation.

The physical hard ware may be cheap, but the R&D and coding is probably whats more expensive.

Leonard Levy · July 11th, 2011, 02:21 PM

I'm predicting that Sony is going to come out with a cheaper Slog only upgrade. You heard it here first.

Brian Drysdale · July 11th, 2011, 04:30 PM

They may start doing that if and when the lower cost RED Epic S comes out at about the same price as the F3. Of course, Sony may have the competitor for that camera already in the wings.

Ryan Hollings · July 11th, 2011, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Leonard Levy

I'm predicting that Sony is going to come out with a cheaper Slog only upgrade. You heard it here first.

I sure hope your right.. I brought it up (4:2:2 slog) to the sony dealer here in my end of Canada, and they said it couldn't be done..??

Nate Weaver · July 11th, 2011, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan Hollings

I brought it up (4:2:2 slog) to the sony dealer here in my end of Canada, and they said it couldn't be done..??

I'd love to hear the reasoning behind massive misinformation like that.

Something mumble mumble about 4:2:2 can't hold the massive gigabutts of information S-log contains.

Ryan Hollings · July 11th, 2011, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nate Weaver

I'd love to hear the reasoning behind massive misinformation like that.

Something mumble mumble about 4:2:2 can't hold the massive gigabutts of information S-log contains.

I wish I still had the email., but it was something like that.

Thats why I would rather come here to get info.

Leonard Levy · July 12th, 2011, 06:06 PM

Absolutely no data behind my prediction. Not worth much discussion. Its just a hunch.

July 8th, 2011, 08:26 AM	#16
Timur Civan Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 120	Re: S-Log Vs Cinegamma Also, I know for a fact the Dual link board is expensive. I'm thinking sony didn't "charge" for the dual link board in the F3 in its MSRP, or maybe only charged for a part of it, bare production materials costs. When you buy sLog, you are "paying for" the board and the firmware. This way they can sell more cameras, and the dual link being there, is quite the tasty incentive to buy the upgrade. Had the camera cost $12,800 instead of $13,300, and you had to buy a $5,000 board, that you have to send the cam away for installation etc... is less attractive to me than a $13300 camera and a special SXS card that makes it SUPER MEGA AWESOME for $4400. __________________ Director of Photography - www.timurcivan.com Sony F3, Cooke lenses, sunny disposition.

July 8th, 2011, 11:38 AM	#17
Alister Chapman Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire, UK Posts: 4,957	Re: S-Log Vs Cinegamma The component costs to add in dual link on the F3 are probably only a tiny fraction of the overall cost of the camera, we are only talking about a now pretty common 3G HDSDi chip, possibly the same components used on cards like the $400 3G capable decklink cards, and that's the end user price. The components themselves probably cost no more than $50 to a manufacturer like Sony, it's only a chip and a couple of BNC's. __________________ Alister Chapman, Film-Maker/Stormchaser http://www.xdcam-user.com/alisters-blog/ My XDCAM site and blog. http://www.hurricane-rig.com

July 9th, 2011, 06:01 PM	#18
Timur Civan Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 120	Re: S-Log Vs Cinegamma But what bout the protocol etc for implementation. The physical hard ware may be cheap, but the R&D and coding is probably whats more expensive. __________________ Director of Photography - www.timurcivan.com Sony F3, Cooke lenses, sunny disposition.

July 11th, 2011, 02:21 PM	#19
Leonard Levy Trustee Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: USA Posts: 1,684	Re: S-Log Vs Cinegamma I'm predicting that Sony is going to come out with a cheaper Slog only upgrade. You heard it here first.

July 11th, 2011, 04:30 PM	#20
Brian Drysdale Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 6,152	Re: S-Log Vs Cinegamma They may start doing that if and when the lower cost RED Epic S comes out at about the same price as the F3. Of course, Sony may have the competitor for that camera already in the wings.

July 12th, 2011, 06:06 PM	#24
Leonard Levy Trustee Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: USA Posts: 1,684	Re: S-Log Vs Cinegamma Absolutely no data behind my prediction. Not worth much discussion. Its just a hunch.