HDSDI & HDMI working simultaneously

[Bruce Schultz]

A few of the vendors got their F3's updated at the show and I saw an EVF working with an HDMI input and HDSDI displaying on external monitors simultaneously.

It appears that the upgrade enables both.

[Ron Aerts]

I hope so this will work,
another thing is that in the current version the composite output isn't working when filming in HD. Like the EX3 both composite (scaled down) and HD SDI output are working simultaneously, Which is great for having an EVF with camera info.
Let's hope the HDMI can have separate display info, so you can use SDI for recording and HDMI for EVF or monitor.

[Nick Hiltgen]

When you say update do you mean the 444 dual link update or a different (free) firmware update?

[Steve Cahill]

Current software as is allows you to have HDMI and SDI both active, use following menu settings:
F3 at Sony NAB booth was using the left dual link BNC port to send SDI to the monitor, while providing a HDMI signal to a Cineroid EVF.

[Tony Partamian]

You should be in interlaced mode to be able to use those outputs.
We need those outputs in progressive mode.

[Giuseppe Pugliese]

seems like no S-log in 4:2:2 mode...? thats a bummer

[Steven S. Miric]

Originally Posted by Steve Cahill

Current software as is allows you to have HDMI and SDI both active, use following menu settings:
F3 at Sony NAB booth was using the left dual link BNC port to send SDI to the monitor, while providing a HDMI signal to a Cineroid EVF.

Can you list ALL settings in this part of the menu?
I am trying to set it up and the selected choices from your image are not active.

[Doug Jensen]

S-LOG in anything other than full 4:4:4 10 Bit would fall apart in post.

[Giuseppe Pugliese]

Originally Posted by Doug Jensen

S-LOG in anything other than full 4:4:4 10 Bit would fall apart in post.

I dont understand that statement... S-Log is a gamma curve, it can be applied to any level of chroma sampling, its just the greater amount of info the more powerful the S-Log curve will be...

an S-Log curve in 10bit 4:2:2 would not "fall apart" it would simply have less chroma sampling, but overall would still provide a greater range of dynamics and deeper curve than the standard...

[David C. Williams]

10 bit, with 1024 steps of luminance is the key factor for S-Log, 4:2:2 colour is fine and used quite a lot already in productions with S-Log.

Also, I haven't tried this, but I'm pretty sure when in dual link mode at least one (maybe both) link is legitimate 4:2:2. So even if it's outputting 4:4:4 dual link, you just connect one link, and you have 4:2:2. This is my understanding of the standard, not practical experience.

[Nate Weaver]

Copy all that. Arri Alexa footage in LogC, 10bit ProRes HQ 4:2:2 is amazing, I've done color work on it. Holds together with extreme color tweaking. 4:4:4 is other benefits.

[Leonard Levy]

Can we go back t original point of this discussion? I was told by someone (not from Sony) what Bruce said that there was a free firmware upgrade that enabled both HDMI and SDI. I assumed they meant in progressive since this was always available in interlace.

Is this just an urban legend?

It would be great if it were real.

[Nate Weaver]

Originally Posted by Leonard Levy

Can we go back t original point of this discussion? I was told by someone (not from Sony) what Bruce said that there was a free firmware upgrade that enabled both HDMI and SDI. I assumed they meant in progressive since this was always available in interlace.

Is this just an urban legend?

It would be great if it were real.

Andy Shipsides told me the same fact-to-face at the Abel booth. Free update coming soon will enable SDI and HDMI.

I will believe him, because the day prior he interacted directly with Sony to get the F3 they had on display upgraded to a beta S-Log firmware, so I'm quite sure he spoke to somebody who would know. I believe the F3 they had with S-Log (the same camera with the blue ET pieces on it), had SDI and HDMI co-existing as well.

Frankly, Andy was be far the most knowledgable person on the F3 I ran into at NAB, and that includes many people in the Sony booth. I know there were some people in Sony booth that knew everything first hand, but those folks were surrounded by show-goers at all times and hard to get time with. I gave up.

[Doug Jensen]

Andy is correct, there will be free firmware upgrade available soon that will make the HDMI and SDI connectors hot at the same time.

[Bruce Schultz]

Originally Posted by Nate Weaver

I will believe him, because the day prior he interacted directly with Sony to get the F3 they had on display upgraded to a beta S-Log firmware, so I'm quite sure he spoke to somebody who would know. I believe the F3 they had with S-Log (the same camera with the blue ET pieces on it), had SDI and HDMI co-existing as well.

That's exactly the camera I saw both working on at Abel's booth. That particular camera had been upgraded by Sony using an SxS card to do it on their setup day. Here is Andy talking about it on camera;
http://blog.abelcine.com/2011/04/14/...-f3-solutions/

Great to hear that getting the two outputs to work simultaneously will be cost free.