Run/Stop?

Andrew Stone · March 31st, 2011, 07:01 PM

Here is the pin assignment diagram for the "Remote" connector...

David C. Williams · March 31st, 2011, 07:47 PM

I have the same diagram from the same source. It does not not match the connector on the F3 sadly, they are entirely different.

That looks exactly like the zoom/run/stop on the EX series, which is what led me down the garden path thinking it might be a Tajimi connector as used by Fujinon.

It's possible the pins are 1-1, but the connector is wrong. Who's game to test that out :D

edit: Added a pic. It "looks" like a Hirose MXR, but I don't have one to compare.

Andrew Stone · March 31st, 2011, 09:41 PM

Good catch David. Glad you pointed that out with the picture. I have a call in a technician in Pro Sony repair where I live. Hopefully, he will phone tomorrow with the name of the connector.

Andrew Stone · April 1st, 2011, 10:51 AM

The Sony technician had nothing conclusive but said they thought it to be a Hirose connector.

I looked around at some schematics and it sure appears to be the Hirose MXR 8-pin connector. Below is a link to a page with info and links to schematics.

MXR-8P-8P(71) - Hirose - MXR8P8P71 - datasheet

Steve Cocklin · April 21st, 2011, 08:18 AM

I have a Jib shoot coming up with my F3, the IR remote works for stop start but I ordered the MXR8 plug for a hard wire configuration. Has anyone determined if pin 5 to ground starts the camera?

Andrew Stone · May 22nd, 2011, 03:06 PM

Has anyone taken this project further and developed a working start/stop cable yet?

Steve Cahill · May 28th, 2011, 05:12 AM

Just received and confirmed that the

798-MXR8P8P71
Hirose Circular Push Pull Connectors
PLG 8P MALE CIRCULAR

Fits the F3 connector.

It can be ordered from Mouser Electronics - Electronic Component Distributor

Steve Cahill · May 28th, 2011, 01:31 PM

Photo showing connector and pin out from F3 service manual.

Next step soldering and a switch.

Andrew Stone · May 28th, 2011, 05:39 PM

Thanks Steve. Much appreciated!

Steve Cahill · June 1st, 2011, 09:27 AM

Received an updated Sony F3 remote pin configuration for the F3 and this one matches. The other diagrams shown in previous posts (including mine) omits the center connector, which suggest they are not the correct diagram. The remote connector on the F3 does indeed have a center pin.

Based on this pin out I see no way to trigger a remote record with a home made switch.

Any one else have some thoughts?

Aaron Newsome · June 1st, 2011, 10:31 AM

So I'm guessing that the commands to the camera need to be encoded in a serial data stream?

Nick Hiltgen · June 2nd, 2011, 08:24 PM

That fits with what a Sony tech was telling me. The remote port is supposed to be some sort of serial encoding ( it does offer an immense amount of options on the menu side of things) I had hoped that he was wrong or at the very least just not understanding our goal. But it seems like the remote port isn't the best way to go after all.

James Houk · June 3rd, 2011, 03:53 PM

Not sure whether this would be more or less work - but it seems to me that you could DIY the wireless remote into a wired one. The placement of the front hot shoe gives you an easy mounting option to boot. The key would be to separate the IR transmitter into a separate box mounted directly in front of the camera receiver, with a length of cable between it and the transmitting box.

You could either use the official Sony remote, or in theory probably work with off the shelf parts. The key is to identify the transmit codes for each action.

Aaron Newsome · June 3rd, 2011, 04:08 PM

I thought about using the IR remote too. I've spent a lot of time messing around with IR codes and stuff. I have a receiver that hooks to a PC, apps that can decode IR on the PC and also PC transmitters that can take those codes and send them. That might be neat for making a GUI on a PC that can operate the camera. Not really practical for a steadicam operator though. Not entirely sure if there are more IR codes that the camera understands, beyond the buttons on the little included remote.

I have also spent some time with IR extenders. These might be a solution to help use the IR as a stop / start. I think a big pain would be enabling IR on every powerup. There is no way to make it persistent.

Matthew Tregoning · December 7th, 2011, 08:03 AM

Has anyone had any luck making a start and stop remote?

I am hoping to find one that will have the remote socket on one end and a LANC jack on the other. This is to be used with the LANC loop on the Ki Pro Mini.

Hope someone can help

March 31st, 2011, 07:01 PM	#16
Andrew Stone Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 975	Re: Run/Stop? Here is the pin assignment diagram for the "Remote" connector... Attached Thumbnails

March 31st, 2011, 07:47 PM	#17
David C. Williams Major Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: melb.vic.au Posts: 447	Re: Run/Stop? I have the same diagram from the same source. It does not not match the connector on the F3 sadly, they are entirely different. That looks exactly like the zoom/run/stop on the EX series, which is what led me down the garden path thinking it might be a Tajimi connector as used by Fujinon. It's possible the pins are 1-1, but the connector is wrong. Who's game to test that out :D edit: Added a pic. It "looks" like a Hirose MXR, but I don't have one to compare. Attached Thumbnails __________________ www.davidwilliams.com.au Last edited by David C. Williams; March 31st, 2011 at 07:54 PM. Reason: Added pic

March 31st, 2011, 09:41 PM	#18
Andrew Stone Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 975	Re: Run/Stop? Good catch David. Glad you pointed that out with the picture. I have a call in a technician in Pro Sony repair where I live. Hopefully, he will phone tomorrow with the name of the connector.

April 1st, 2011, 10:51 AM	#19
Andrew Stone Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 975	Re: Run/Stop? The Sony technician had nothing conclusive but said they thought it to be a Hirose connector. I looked around at some schematics and it sure appears to be the Hirose MXR 8-pin connector. Below is a link to a page with info and links to schematics. MXR-8P-8P(71) - Hirose - MXR8P8P71 - datasheet

April 21st, 2011, 08:18 AM	#20
Steve Cocklin Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Newburg, MD Posts: 45	Re: Run/Stop? I have a Jib shoot coming up with my F3, the IR remote works for stop start but I ordered the MXR8 plug for a hard wire configuration. Has anyone determined if pin 5 to ground starts the camera?

May 22nd, 2011, 03:06 PM	#21
Andrew Stone Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 975	Re: Run/Stop? Has anyone taken this project further and developed a working start/stop cable yet?

May 28th, 2011, 05:12 AM	#22
Steve Cahill Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 321	Re: Run/Stop? Just received and confirmed that the 798-MXR8P8P71 Hirose Circular Push Pull Connectors PLG 8P MALE CIRCULAR Fits the F3 connector. It can be ordered from Mouser Electronics - Electronic Component Distributor __________________ Regards Steve

May 28th, 2011, 01:31 PM	#23
Steve Cahill Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 321	Re: Run/Stop? Photo showing connector and pin out from F3 service manual. Next step soldering and a switch. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Regards Steve

May 28th, 2011, 05:39 PM	#24
Andrew Stone Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 975	Re: Run/Stop? Thanks Steve. Much appreciated!

June 1st, 2011, 09:27 AM	#25
Steve Cahill Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 321	Re: Run/Stop? Received an updated Sony F3 remote pin configuration for the F3 and this one matches. The other diagrams shown in previous posts (including mine) omits the center connector, which suggest they are not the correct diagram. The remote connector on the F3 does indeed have a center pin. Based on this pin out I see no way to trigger a remote record with a home made switch. Any one else have some thoughts? Attached Thumbnails __________________ Regards Steve

June 1st, 2011, 10:31 AM	#26
Aaron Newsome Major Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Rancho Santa Margarita Posts: 590	Re: Run/Stop? So I'm guessing that the commands to the camera need to be encoded in a serial data stream?

June 2nd, 2011, 08:24 PM	#27
Nick Hiltgen Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 1,427	Re: Run/Stop? That fits with what a Sony tech was telling me. The remote port is supposed to be some sort of serial encoding ( it does offer an immense amount of options on the menu side of things) I had hoped that he was wrong or at the very least just not understanding our goal. But it seems like the remote port isn't the best way to go after all. __________________ I have a dream that one day canon will release a 35mm ef to xl adapter and I'll have iris control and a 35mm dof of all my ef lenses, and it will be awesome...

June 3rd, 2011, 03:53 PM	#28
James Houk Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 78	Re: Run/Stop? Not sure whether this would be more or less work - but it seems to me that you could DIY the wireless remote into a wired one. The placement of the front hot shoe gives you an easy mounting option to boot. The key would be to separate the IR transmitter into a separate box mounted directly in front of the camera receiver, with a length of cable between it and the transmitting box. You could either use the official Sony remote, or in theory probably work with off the shelf parts. The key is to identify the transmit codes for each action. __________________ www.viddovation.com

June 3rd, 2011, 04:08 PM	#29
Aaron Newsome Major Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Rancho Santa Margarita Posts: 590	Re: Run/Stop? I thought about using the IR remote too. I've spent a lot of time messing around with IR codes and stuff. I have a receiver that hooks to a PC, apps that can decode IR on the PC and also PC transmitters that can take those codes and send them. That might be neat for making a GUI on a PC that can operate the camera. Not really practical for a steadicam operator though. Not entirely sure if there are more IR codes that the camera understands, beyond the buttons on the little included remote. I have also spent some time with IR extenders. These might be a solution to help use the IR as a stop / start. I think a big pain would be enabling IR on every powerup. There is no way to make it persistent.

December 7th, 2011, 08:03 AM	#30
Matthew Tregoning New Boot Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: London Posts: 5	Re: Run/Stop? Has anyone had any luck making a start and stop remote? I am hoping to find one that will have the remote socket on one end and a LANC jack on the other. This is to be used with the LANC loop on the Ki Pro Mini. Hope someone can help