Convergent Design unit records 4.4.4.

Andrew Stone · March 17th, 2011, 03:03 PM

Will the F3 support 1080p60 through the 3G ports without the firmware upgrade?

Dean Harrington · March 17th, 2011, 03:43 PM

That's very nice! Just what the doctor ordered!

Dave Sperling · March 17th, 2011, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Stone

Will the F3 support 1080p60 through the 3G ports without the firmware upgrade?

I had read in another thread that the F3 without the upgrade already supports 1080p60 via dual link output, but of course requires an outboard recoder to record 1080p60.

Dean Harrington · March 17th, 2011, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron Newsome

Dean, it's likely that the new convergent designs recorder has nothing to do with the discontinued XDR. They left that recorder to die at the roadside and that's where it'll stay. They never completed a number of features that were promised in the XDR, I know because I have one. With the rumor of the new recorder coming, I don't expect they'll ever complete those promised features.

Here's just a few reasons why the XDR can't be a part of any new 4:4:4 recorder

- XDR SDI input circuitry is single link 422 only, I recall that 3G/s is simply not possible with this hardware
- Codec is MPEG2, which is 8 bit 422 only
- Records to CF card only, which is not practical for 4:4:4 recording (which is why no 4:4:4 CF recorders exist. Any new recorder would likely record to SSD)

I'd love to hear about some kind of affordable upgrade path to 4:4:4 recording for us XDR owners. However, I'm pretty sure the upgrade path with be eBay the XDR on eBay and scrape together the difference to buy the new recorder.

Aaron ... I agree ... you bought into the XDR at the beginning and I think you should talk to the people at Convergent Design about some sort of upgrade path ... perhaps a substantial upgrade path. On another note, I bought the original DVX100, with its quirks, and watched as the DVX100 A came out with better qualities within a year ... so, I understand your regrets!

Aaron Newsome · March 17th, 2011, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Stone

Will the F3 support 1080p60 through the 3G ports without the firmware upgrade?

The F3 outputs 1080p/60 over dual link SDI, out of the box. The firmware upgrade is not needed for this. I've tested it quite a bit, recording to the Cinedeck.

Timur Civan · March 18th, 2011, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron Newsome

The F3 outputs 1080p/60 over dual link SDI, out of the box. The firmware upgrade is not needed for this. I've tested it quite a bit, recording to the Cinedeck.

What camera setting do you need for this to work? ive been meaning to try it out, but ican t figure out how to engage 1080 - 60p

Aaron Newsome · March 18th, 2011, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Timur Civan

What camera setting do you need for this to work? ive been meaning to try it out, but ican t figure out how to engage 1080 - 60p

Others > System > Format > HQ 1920/59.94i
VIDEO SET > Dual Link & Gamma Select > 1.5G YPbPr422 & Video

Neve rmind that the setting is 59.94i. The dual link output is indeed progressive, as the sensor is progressive. Works very nicely. So glad this is possible without firmware upgrade. Also note that there is no TC on the dual link SDI out when operating in this mode.

Andrew Stone · March 18th, 2011, 04:34 PM

Thanks Aaron & Dave for your response on the 1080p60 out the dual-link SDI question.

Wouldn't matter for most that there isn't timecode on the 1080p60 signal as most would be using it for slomo footage. Timecode can also be striped after the fact if necessary.

Aaron Newsome · March 18th, 2011, 04:51 PM

I wasn't actually using the TC in my SDI for it's TC worthiness, since the footage is being overcranked in post the TC is useless. It's being used to trigger my external recorder. Since the TC isn't there, the recorder doesn't get triggered. That's why I brought it up.

Andrew Stone · March 18th, 2011, 06:50 PM

Good point Aaron. That would apply to many of us in future.

Timur Civan · March 18th, 2011, 09:46 PM

fantastic thank you!

Andy Shipsides · March 19th, 2011, 07:13 PM

Watch our blog on Monday. Exciting stuff.

Andy

Brian Lai · March 25th, 2011, 04:35 PM

So the Gemini seems to be everything promised. Too bad Dan Keaton at Convergent Design says they won't be shipping till July and no demos are available.

Alister Chapman · March 26th, 2011, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron Newsome

Others > System > Format > HQ 1920/59.94i
VIDEO SET > Dual Link & Gamma Select > 1.5G YPbPr422 & Video

When I tried this at 50i all I got is single link 50i out of SDi 1 as well as the SDi monitor out. Nothing on SDi 2

Leonard Levy · March 26th, 2011, 11:42 AM

Frankly I wish Convergent had also worked on getting 10bit 4:2:2 into something small like the Nanoflash. For a lot of people who don't need 4:4:4 the Gemini sounds like a hassle to me.
KiPro mini sounds nice but the Nano was so small. Interested in whetehr Ninja comes out with an SDI version at NAB. Any word on this?

March 17th, 2011, 03:03 PM	#16
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March 17th, 2011, 03:43 PM	#17
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March 18th, 2011, 04:34 PM	#23
Andrew Stone Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 975	Re: Convergent Design unit records 4.4.4. Thanks Aaron & Dave for your response on the 1080p60 out the dual-link SDI question. Wouldn't matter for most that there isn't timecode on the 1080p60 signal as most would be using it for slomo footage. Timecode can also be striped after the fact if necessary.

March 18th, 2011, 04:51 PM	#24
Aaron Newsome Major Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Rancho Santa Margarita Posts: 590	Re: Convergent Design unit records 4.4.4. I wasn't actually using the TC in my SDI for it's TC worthiness, since the footage is being overcranked in post the TC is useless. It's being used to trigger my external recorder. Since the TC isn't there, the recorder doesn't get triggered. That's why I brought it up.

March 18th, 2011, 06:50 PM	#25
Andrew Stone Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 975	Re: Convergent Design unit records 4.4.4. Good point Aaron. That would apply to many of us in future.

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March 25th, 2011, 04:35 PM	#28
Brian Lai Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 61	Re: Convergent Design unit records 4.4.4. So the Gemini seems to be everything promised. Too bad Dan Keaton at Convergent Design says they won't be shipping till July and no demos are available.

March 26th, 2011, 11:42 AM	#30
Leonard Levy Trustee Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: USA Posts: 1,684	Re: Convergent Design unit records 4.4.4. Frankly I wish Convergent had also worked on getting 10bit 4:2:2 into something small like the Nanoflash. For a lot of people who don't need 4:4:4 the Gemini sounds like a hassle to me. KiPro mini sounds nice but the Nano was so small. Interested in whetehr Ninja comes out with an SDI version at NAB. Any word on this?