Sony showed off a 35mm sensor camera and a 3D unit

Gabe Strong · November 4th, 2010, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guy McLoughlin

I was very keen when I first heard about the NEX VG-10, but then I was expecting it to have the same features as the top of the line Canon or Panasonic consumer cameras. When more details came out, I was disappointed that Sony was still building crippled high-end consumer cams. I honestly don't see a market for this camera as I think it's too awkward for amateurs to shoot with, and it lacks most of the features that prosumer shooters want.

I agree completely. It has nothing to do with the AVCHD CODEC and everything to do the rest of the camera. I think the AF-100 is going to be the first AVCCAM camera from Panasonic that will seriously challenge the Sony EX-1 / 3 cameras for non-ENG work. ( the same goes for Canon's new XF 3xx line )

I expect the AF-100 to be a big seller once it's in the stores. I think it will sell so well that Sony and Canon will be forced to release their own equivalent cameras in order to stay competitive, and the prosumer market will be permanently changed for the better.

Yeah, I agree, that's why I was calling the NEG VG-10 a 'prosumer' as opposed to professional
camera. However, maybe it's just a consumer camera.....I haven't done anything more
than look at some of the video it produces, haven't had my hands on one at all.

As for the AF-100, I sincerely HOPE it is a HUGE seller and forces Sony and Canon to release
something similar and the ensuing competition keeps them all producing better and better cameras.
That way, when I DO decide to buy one of them, probably next year sometime, I will get the
most for my money!

Paulo Teixeira · November 5th, 2010, 01:20 AM

I still say using the HMC40 as an example is better than using the HMC150 as an example. The chips matches the EX1r more so than the HMC150 (It's mostly a size difference) and because of that, a codec test would be more accurate.

I was basically agreeing with some that the codec alone doesn't determine quality but at the same time, I was also saying that an HMC40 is better to go against the EX1 than an HMC150.

Andrew Stone · November 6th, 2010, 09:25 AM

Well the press announcement date for the 35mm sensored Sony camera has been announced by a reputable film magazine. The date is Wednesday, November 17th. Less than 2 weeks away.

Sony 35mm Mystery Camera Film and Digital Times: Blog

What else is under that shroud?

Erik Phairas · November 6th, 2010, 03:20 PM

Just enough resolution to be true 1920x1080p and APS-C sized sensor please.

Dylan Couper · November 7th, 2010, 08:54 AM

Eww... APS-C?

That's like asking for a 1970 Barracuda with a V-6.

(I kid... flame suit on and running.... ;)

Andrew Stone · November 7th, 2010, 09:11 PM

Just posted a soon to happen news Q & A from Sony in the UK on their much anticipated 35mm sensored camera, now called the PMW-F3.

You can read the DVinfo post below and it will take you to Sony's related announcement and Facebook page where the Q & A will take place with Sony engineers etc at 10:00 am UTC Monday, November 9th, That's 2am for those in the Pacific time zone.

You want it. Fill your boots.

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/digital-...ml#post1585815

Glen Vandermolen · November 7th, 2010, 10:21 PM

Thanks, Andrew. Very interesting info. But the links to the F3 aren't working right now.

Andrew Stone · November 7th, 2010, 11:04 PM

True Glen, true. But there is still a decent read on the webpage itself. And there is the prospect of seeing this Sony chap baked to crisp on Facebook by the would be participants. Actually I don't think that is going to happen because only six people in the entire world know this is going to happen. Sony's gotta smarten up with their internet marketing. It really appears to be quite hamfisted.

Guy McLoughlin · November 8th, 2010, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guy McLoughlin

...My predictions for this mysterious "affordable" Sony 35mm sensor camera :

- Price: $20,000+

- Will not ship in 2011

...It looks like one of my predictions has proven accurate ( the $20K+ price ), according to a new post by Philip Bloom:

Sony announces the PMW F3K! | Philip Bloom

It looks like Sony is going after RED ( not Panasonic ) with this new camera. Wow things are changing fast!

Craig Seeman · November 8th, 2010, 12:58 PM

Sony : PMW-F3K (PMWF3K) : Product Overview : United Kingdom

If it's listed it's going to be shipping in the reasonably near future.

Craig Seeman · November 8th, 2010, 01:31 PM

Personally I'm surprised Sony is giving the entire under $10K market to Panasonic. Maybe they thinks it's a battle they can't win . . .
So they come out with a $20K+ camera using 35mbps MPEG2 4:2:0 Long GOP? Add cost of ConvergentDesigns or AJA attached recorder.

To me it looks like it should be an $8K camera. Does it really have any major serious advantages over the Panny AF1--?
Is this really a competitor to RED? It looks like the "stepped down" camera for those who want "Ease of Use" over RED but that's it.

I am NOT convinced by any of the specs that this camera is $15K better than Panny nor am I convinced this is a RED competitor.

Tim Polster · November 8th, 2010, 02:15 PM

Criag, I think you are hitting the nail on the head. After watching the AF-100 come to light and now seeing this new Sony camera I can not see the $10,000 price difference either.

When Canon puts out a $6,000 50mbps 4:2:2 camera it is a bit strange for Sony to stay with 35mbps 4:2:0 in a new $15,000 camera body that is basically an EX-1r with a large sensor.

As a non-cinema more video oriented shooter I like the idea of an EX-1 shallow DOF companion but not at this price. They have passed me up as a potential buyer.

Strange that Panasonic can find the way to offer basically the same style of camera for 1/3 the price.

Gabe Strong · November 8th, 2010, 02:27 PM

I won't say too much other than, wait for the U.S. pricing. Once upon a time, (pre release EX-1) I was told
by a Sony rep that the EX-1 would be 'around 6 grand'. So I posted that on various internet forums
and was called 'crazy' because more expensive prices were being 'calculated' with exchange rates and
such. Until we actually find out the US 'street price' I am going to withhold judgement. Remember,
the 'official' MSRP of the EX-1 is $7790 or some such figure as well.....but you can get it from a
Sony dealer for the 'street price' of $6299 which is about $1500 less......

John Vincent · November 8th, 2010, 02:33 PM

50/ 60p in 720p mode only. Just like my $800 Canon T2i. At least is can do 10bit 4:2:2 out of the SDi socket... but as mentioned, you'll need more equipment to make use of this mojo.

PL lens mount doesn't help the high pricing either,

For $6 K, it'd be a nice camera, but I don't think this will steal away any new potential DSLR buyers, AF100 buyers, or any RED buyers for $20K.

A strange product considering the current market.

Craig Seeman · November 8th, 2010, 02:41 PM

The EX-3, which is interchangeable lens, might be a fair comparison. B&H has is for $8,320. Given the description of the new camera there is no feature or market justification for a price much above $10K. The prices people are claiming have to be WAY OFF or Sony has a DOA product IMHO.

November 5th, 2010, 01:20 AM	#77
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	I still say using the HMC40 as an example is better than using the HMC150 as an example. The chips matches the EX1r more so than the HMC150 (It's mostly a size difference) and because of that, a codec test would be more accurate. I was basically agreeing with some that the codec alone doesn't determine quality but at the same time, I was also saying that an HMC40 is better to go against the EX1 than an HMC150. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot Last edited by Paulo Teixeira; November 5th, 2010 at 12:04 PM.

November 6th, 2010, 09:25 AM	#78
Andrew Stone Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 975	Well the press announcement date for the 35mm sensored Sony camera has been announced by a reputable film magazine. The date is Wednesday, November 17th. Less than 2 weeks away. Sony 35mm Mystery Camera Film and Digital Times: Blog What else is under that shroud? Attached Thumbnails

November 6th, 2010, 03:20 PM	#79
Erik Phairas Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 628	Just enough resolution to be true 1920x1080p and APS-C sized sensor please. __________________ EX3, Q6600 Quad core PC - Vista 64, Vegas 8.1 64bit, SR11 b-cam

November 7th, 2010, 08:54 AM	#80
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Eww... APS-C? That's like asking for a 1970 Barracuda with a V-6. (I kid... flame suit on and running.... ;) __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

November 7th, 2010, 09:11 PM	#81
Andrew Stone Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 975	Just posted a soon to happen news Q & A from Sony in the UK on their much anticipated 35mm sensored camera, now called the PMW-F3. You can read the DVinfo post below and it will take you to Sony's related announcement and Facebook page where the Q & A will take place with Sony engineers etc at 10:00 am UTC Monday, November 9th, That's 2am for those in the Pacific time zone. You want it. Fill your boots. http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/digital-...ml#post1585815

November 7th, 2010, 10:21 PM	#82
Glen Vandermolen Space Hipster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 1,596	Thanks, Andrew. Very interesting info. But the links to the F3 aren't working right now.

November 7th, 2010, 11:04 PM	#83
Andrew Stone Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 975	True Glen, true. But there is still a decent read on the webpage itself. And there is the prospect of seeing this Sony chap baked to crisp on Facebook by the would be participants. Actually I don't think that is going to happen because only six people in the entire world know this is going to happen. Sony's gotta smarten up with their internet marketing. It really appears to be quite hamfisted.

November 8th, 2010, 12:58 PM	#85
Craig Seeman Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Posts: 3,841	Sony : PMW-F3K (PMWF3K) : Product Overview : United Kingdom If it's listed it's going to be shipping in the reasonably near future.

November 8th, 2010, 01:31 PM	#86
Craig Seeman Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Posts: 3,841	Personally I'm surprised Sony is giving the entire under $10K market to Panasonic. Maybe they thinks it's a battle they can't win . . . So they come out with a $20K+ camera using 35mbps MPEG2 4:2:0 Long GOP? Add cost of ConvergentDesigns or AJA attached recorder. To me it looks like it should be an $8K camera. Does it really have any major serious advantages over the Panny AF1--? Is this really a competitor to RED? It looks like the "stepped down" camera for those who want "Ease of Use" over RED but that's it. I am NOT convinced by any of the specs that this camera is $15K better than Panny nor am I convinced this is a RED competitor.

November 8th, 2010, 02:15 PM	#87
Tim Polster Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 2,231	Criag, I think you are hitting the nail on the head. After watching the AF-100 come to light and now seeing this new Sony camera I can not see the $10,000 price difference either. When Canon puts out a $6,000 50mbps 4:2:2 camera it is a bit strange for Sony to stay with 35mbps 4:2:0 in a new $15,000 camera body that is basically an EX-1r with a large sensor. As a non-cinema more video oriented shooter I like the idea of an EX-1 shallow DOF companion but not at this price. They have passed me up as a potential buyer. Strange that Panasonic can find the way to offer basically the same style of camera for 1/3 the price.

November 8th, 2010, 02:27 PM	#88
Gabe Strong Major Player Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Juneau, AK Posts: 814	I won't say too much other than, wait for the U.S. pricing. Once upon a time, (pre release EX-1) I was told by a Sony rep that the EX-1 would be 'around 6 grand'. So I posted that on various internet forums and was called 'crazy' because more expensive prices were being 'calculated' with exchange rates and such. Until we actually find out the US 'street price' I am going to withhold judgement. Remember, the 'official' MSRP of the EX-1 is $7790 or some such figure as well.....but you can get it from a Sony dealer for the 'street price' of $6299 which is about $1500 less......

November 8th, 2010, 02:33 PM	#89
John Vincent Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,065	50/ 60p in 720p mode only. Just like my $800 Canon T2i. At least is can do 10bit 4:2:2 out of the SDi socket... but as mentioned, you'll need more equipment to make use of this mojo. PL lens mount doesn't help the high pricing either, For $6 K, it'd be a nice camera, but I don't think this will steal away any new potential DSLR buyers, AF100 buyers, or any RED buyers for $20K. A strange product considering the current market.

November 8th, 2010, 02:41 PM	#90
Craig Seeman Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Posts: 3,841	The EX-3, which is interchangeable lens, might be a fair comparison. B&H has is for $8,320. Given the description of the new camera there is no feature or market justification for a price much above $10K. The prices people are claiming have to be WAY OFF or Sony has a DOA product IMHO.