New promo video XDCAM EX and XDCAM HD422

Piotr Wozniacki · July 23rd, 2007, 01:11 PM

Looking at the attached pic, I wonder: if one channel is set to internal, and the other to external, does the on-board stereo mic switch into mono mode, or simply feeds one channel only?

Also, no mention or picture of any other output but the FiWi and SDI... How do I connect to a lower -end field monitor with components-in only?

Bob Grant · July 23rd, 2007, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas Smet

Are you certain thats the way the EX will work however? The V1 for example does process in the DSP 1080p 60 before it converts it to 30p or 60i. Having a DSP that can either pump out 60i or 60p to record to 1080 or 720p means it may actually contain 1080 60p. From this stage the encoder and DSP could move to any of the desired recording formats such as 30p, 60i or 720p 60p with very little problems. If the slow motion on the Ex works the way the higher end cameras do then I think I would much rather shoot 720p 60p and do the slow motion myself. If I had to choose between a 1440x540 based image and a 1280x720 based image I would choose the 720p one. Unless of chourse SONY will be recording the 720p mode by just converting the 60i to 720p 60p which doesn't really make it all that special then. I sure hope the 720p mode is really 720p and not bobbed and downscaled 1080i.

The Sony Japan man at NAB did say "all frame rates from 1fps to 60fps", make of that what you will.

Thomas Barthle Jr. · July 25th, 2007, 04:17 PM

I have only worked with consumer grade Sony cams, no XDCam stuff, and one thing I noticed was their high in-camera sharpening. It causes all kinds of artifacting, at least in HDV. I think it is why so many consumers like the look of Sony cams, but it causes problems. I hope we see something different here.

Greg Boston · July 26th, 2007, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas Smet

Are you certain thats the way the EX will work however? The V1 for example does process in the DSP 1080p 60 before it converts it to 30p or 60i. Having a DSP that can either pump out 60i or 60p to record to 1080 or 720p means it may actually contain 1080 60p. From this stage the encoder and DSP could move to any of the desired recording formats such as 30p, 60i or 720p 60p with very little problems. If the slow motion on the Ex works the way the higher end cameras do then I think I would much rather shoot 720p 60p and do the slow motion myself. If I had to choose between a 1440x540 based image and a 1280x720 based image I would choose the 720p one. Unless of chourse SONY will be recording the 720p mode by just converting the 60i to 720p 60p which doesn't really make it all that special then. I sure hope the 720p mode is really 720p and not bobbed and downscaled 1080i.

Since the bigger cameras don't do 720P, I can't comment on how that will be processed. It's very possible that you might get full vertical res for overcranking in 720p. It would be a lot like how the RED camera can do higher framerates at the expense of resolution to keep the datastream to a manageable size. That's really what it comes down go... how much data can the guts handle at a given moment. The more you increase that ability, the higher priced the components become, and hence the final selling price of the camera. So, to hit a price target from all the market research, designers have to make concessions here and there to get the most bang at the desired buck, so to speak.

-gb-

Andrew Bower · August 7th, 2007, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg Boston

I strongly suspect 1440x1080. Pretty much the same chip as the full size 1/2 cameras.

I heard from someone that has a demo unit that they are NOT 1440x1080. That's all the info I could get out of him though. Wait...he did say the '1080' part was correct, so I am going to figure on 1920x1080...

Andrew Bower · August 7th, 2007, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Piotr Wozniacki

Looking at the attached pic, I wonder: if one channel is set to internal, and the other to external, does the on-board stereo mic switch into mono mode, or simply feeds one channel only?

...and has anyone seen if there is a phantom power switch? I would assume there is phantom power, but figure the switch should be visible close to the audio controls.

Brian Cassar · August 7th, 2007, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Bower

...and has anyone seen if there is a phantom power switch? I would assume there is phantom power, but figure the switch should be visible close to the audio controls.

If you have a look at this picture you would see that there is a phantom power switch:

http://dvinfo.net/conf/attachment.ph...0&d=1176711806

This switch is usually placed near the audio inputs.

Brian

Piotr Wozniacki · August 7th, 2007, 03:17 AM

Frankly, I can only see the line-mic switches there - but they must be there somewhere, perhaps underneath...

My other doubt is about the LCD size; it looks quite small in proportion to the camera - so either the EX is really bulky, or Sony have chosen a screen size lower than the 3.5" (so far, standard on their pro hand-helds).

Brian Cassar · August 7th, 2007, 03:38 AM

If you look closely you'll see that it is a 3-way switch: line / mic / mic +48V for each of the 2 inputs. It's the same type of switch found on all shoulder mounted Sony cams.

Brian

Greg Boston · August 7th, 2007, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Bower

I heard from someone that has a demo unit that they are NOT 1440x1080. That's all the info I could get out of him though. Wait...he did say the '1080' part was correct, so I am going to figure on 1920x1080...

That's possible, but the native resolution of XDCAM HD is 1440x1080. They could oversample using higher res imagers, but for compatibility with existing XDCAM HD material, it should be 1440x1080 coming out.

That someone's initials wouldn't be JE would they?

-gb-

Chris Hurd · August 21st, 2007, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Medico

In the video they also used the words NEW and LOW POWER when describing the imagers. That suggests CMOS could be a real possibility.

It appears that they are indeed using CMOS chips... if this qualifies as confirmation -- check this out: http://www.videomag.gr/cms/index.php...k=view&id=1263 -- note the "3CMOS" in that image?

Greg Boston · August 21st, 2007, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

It appears that they are indeed using CMOS chips... if this qualifies as confirmation -- check this out: http://www.videomag.gr/cms/index.php...k=view&id=1263 -- note the "3CMOS" in that image?

What I really notice is that this image is not the XDCAM HD EX. Note that the lens is not the full 3 ring Fujinon and the camera is labeled HD XMCAM.

This is an entirely new camera if it really exists.

-gb-

Vaughan Wood · August 21st, 2007, 11:19 PM

Yes,

Many of the buttons are in different positions and it looks less complicated!

A cheaper version in beta form perhaps? Z1 type replacement?

Cheers Vaughan

Jamie Allan · August 22nd, 2007, 02:30 AM

C'mon people, its a (crappy) vaporware mock up, don't belive everything you see on the net...

Alex Leith · August 22nd, 2007, 03:00 AM

That particular image is a concept mockup from an earlier stage of development.

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August 7th, 2007, 03:17 AM	#38
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	Frankly, I can only see the line-mic switches there - but they must be there somewhere, perhaps underneath... My other doubt is about the LCD size; it looks quite small in proportion to the camera - so either the EX is really bulky, or Sony have chosen a screen size lower than the 3.5" (so far, standard on their pro hand-helds). __________________ Sony PXW-FS7 \| DaVinci Resolve Studio; Magix Vegas Pro; i7-5960X CPU; 64 GB RAM; 2x GTX 1080 8GB GPU; Decklink 4K Extreme 12G; 4x 3TB WD Black in RAID 0; 1TB M.2 NVMe cache drive

August 22nd, 2007, 03:00 AM	#45
Alex Leith Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Northampton, England Posts: 500	That particular image is a concept mockup from an earlier stage of development. __________________ Alex

July 25th, 2007, 04:17 PM	#33
Thomas Barthle Jr. Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 86	I have only worked with consumer grade Sony cams, no XDCam stuff, and one thing I noticed was their high in-camera sharpening. It causes all kinds of artifacting, at least in HDV. I think it is why so many consumers like the look of Sony cams, but it causes problems. I hope we see something different here.

August 7th, 2007, 03:38 AM	#39
Brian Cassar Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Malta Posts: 306	If you look closely you'll see that it is a 3-way switch: line / mic / mic +48V for each of the 2 inputs. It's the same type of switch found on all shoulder mounted Sony cams. Brian

August 21st, 2007, 11:19 PM	#43
Vaughan Wood Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 278	Yes, Many of the buttons are in different positions and it looks less complicated! A cheaper version in beta form perhaps? Z1 type replacement? Cheers Vaughan

August 22nd, 2007, 02:30 AM	#44
Jamie Allan Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Notts, UK Posts: 101	C'mon people, its a (crappy) vaporware mock up, don't belive everything you see on the net...