Expresscard to usb 3 reader at DVinfo.net

Bill Heslip · October 23rd, 2012, 03:19 PM

Any such thing?

Sorry if this is the wrong forum (maybe a Card Corral forum?) but this does involve an EX1 :-)

The plan is to shoot UHS-1/Expresscards and achieve decent off-load speed via usb 3.0. Decent meaning much faster than off-loading usb 2 straight from the camera.

Anyone use this little device?

EC03 (ExpressCard 2.0 to USB 3.0)

Am I nuts thinking it could be that easy and cheap?

Les Nagy · October 23rd, 2012, 03:24 PM

From the description:

"Notice:
This adapter only works with USB-based ExpressCard devices. PCI Express-based ExpressCard devices will not be detected. Please check with your device’s manufacturer if you are not certain."

Which means it will not download at the rate of the native express card.

Jack Zhang · October 23rd, 2012, 05:32 PM

Currently, the only future tech that can read SxS at native speeds is Thunderbolt. This is already starting to appear in some PC motherboards and laptops.

If you're shooting SDXC or SDHC, a dedicated USB 3.0 reader is better for that purpose.

The reason why these are so cheap is because these adapters in some cases just take the USB based leads in the Expresscard spec and just physically translate it to a USB cable. There is no active chip on the board.

Brian Cassar · October 23rd, 2012, 10:31 PM

Sony will be introducing a USB3 sxs reader very soon:

Sony | Micro Site XDCAM

However at that price I would go for a thunderbolt reader from Sonnet - much cheaper and much faster!

Bill Heslip · October 23rd, 2012, 10:55 PM

I suspected the devil was in the details with that device. Thanks for the education.

If you can humor me a while longer, would something like the Kingston FCR-HS3 15-in-1 USB 3.0 Media Reader get me there? It accepts SDHC/SDXC cards (that's the plan) but will it at least see my PCI ExpressCards?

I suppose genuine SxS cards are still an option if that would significantly speed up my workflow (PC based) compared to the above. Then there's the reader...

Jack Zhang · October 24th, 2012, 02:17 AM

Genuine SxS is leaps and bounds faster than SDHC. The only other card format that comes remotely close is XQD. (for which the EX1 and EX1R support via the Expresscard adapter with firmware 1.30)

For SDHC, try to find a dedicated (and not 15-in-1) card reader for USB 3.0. The fastest speeds will come most likely from the UHS cards rated at 90MB/s read.

Tom Roper · October 24th, 2012, 04:10 PM

Isn't it possible to use the camera itself as the express card reader and run a usb cable from it to the pc? I've been using the nanoflash so long that I forgot the current pc I'm using no longer came equipped with an express slot.

Jack Zhang · October 24th, 2012, 11:55 PM

It is, but that is limited to USB 2.0 speeds in the case of all the current cameras. Bill is asking for full bandwidth transfer of SxS footage via USB 3.0 or Thunderbolt. (Thunderbolt seems to be the best bet at the moment)

Bill Heslip · October 25th, 2012, 11:17 AM

Thanks for everyone's informative posts.

Concerning Thunderbolt, is it not a Mac-only protocol at the moment?

Jack, if I'm determined to go USB 3.0 (my computer already has the ports), would this device offer any substantial speed increases over simply using the camera USB interface?

Sonnet DiO Pro CompactFlash and SDXC USB 3.0 Media Reader

Unfortunately, I sent in my EX1 for a firmware update (1.26) right before 1.3 was released, so no QXD option for me. The above device is UHS-1 compliant if that helps.

David Dwyer · October 25th, 2012, 02:42 PM

MxM will also have a USB3 reader out soon as well

Express34/54 USB 2.0 READER - Silver - (MXM046) - MXM Express

Olof Ekbergh · October 25th, 2012, 04:17 PM

The TB solution from Sonnet works very well on macs and I see it is compatible with PC's as well, at least in the near future.

TB is a great protocol for RAIDs as well.

Bill Heslip · October 25th, 2012, 06:57 PM

[QUOTE=David Dwyer;1760622]MxM will also have a USB3 reader out soon as well

I had my eye on that one but their ship date has drifted so far that I've run out of time.

Alister Chapman · October 26th, 2012, 01:39 AM

The only issue with the Sonnet thunderbolt adapter is that if your mac only has a single TB port you have to figure out an alternative way to connect any external drives or a monitor while using the Express Card reader. Some drives have a TB loop through, but not all and even if you have a single loop through you can't have the drive, Sonnet adapter and an external monitor at the same time :-(

The new Macbook pros just launched have 2 thunderbolt ports and USB3 and this would be your best all be it rather expensive option.

I use a firewire 800 drives which is a significant improvement over USB, but you don't get the full speed benefits that of the high speed TB transfer due to the FW800 bottleneck.

Jack Zhang · October 26th, 2012, 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Heslip

Unfortunately, I sent in my EX1 for a firmware update (1.26) right before 1.3 was released, so no QXD option for me. The above device is UHS-1 compliant if that helps.

No, you can still get XQD by doing the 1.30 update yourself after 1.26. Only if you have a firmware lower than 1.15 is where you can't upgrade firmware yourself. My other thread where I performed the update on a SDHC card has links. (Titled "Before I upgrade my EX1R to 1.30")

Certainly go for UHS compliant USB 3.0 SDXC readers as it will speed up your workflow.

Dave Sperling · October 27th, 2012, 09:57 PM

In the meantime, using a pc notebook with expresscard slot and USB3 port, going to external bus powered USB3 hard drives, I've been getting consistent transfer speeds of about 110+ MB/sec from SxS-G1A cards. That's a bit under 5 minutes for a full 32GB card. It's a bit better than transfer speeds from the SxS-Pro cards, though they're still pretty good. I suspect that I might get better speeds going to a raid drive, but the small drives are really convenient.

October 23rd, 2012, 03:19 PM	#1
Bill Heslip Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Southeast USA Posts: 129	Expresscard to usb 3 reader Any such thing? Sorry if this is the wrong forum (maybe a Card Corral forum?) but this does involve an EX1 :-) The plan is to shoot UHS-1/Expresscards and achieve decent off-load speed via usb 3.0. Decent meaning much faster than off-loading usb 2 straight from the camera. Anyone use this little device? EC03 (ExpressCard 2.0 to USB 3.0) Am I nuts thinking it could be that easy and cheap? Last edited by Bill Heslip; October 23rd, 2012 at 03:20 PM. Reason: typo

October 23rd, 2012, 03:24 PM	#2
Les Nagy Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: A Canadian in Canada, and sometimes Chile Posts: 265	Re: Expresscard to usb 3 reader From the description: "Notice: This adapter only works with USB-based ExpressCard devices. PCI Express-based ExpressCard devices will not be detected. Please check with your device’s manufacturer if you are not certain." Which means it will not download at the rate of the native express card.

October 23rd, 2012, 05:32 PM	#3
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	Re: Expresscard to usb 3 reader Currently, the only future tech that can read SxS at native speeds is Thunderbolt. This is already starting to appear in some PC motherboards and laptops. If you're shooting SDXC or SDHC, a dedicated USB 3.0 reader is better for that purpose. The reason why these are so cheap is because these adapters in some cases just take the USB based leads in the Expresscard spec and just physically translate it to a USB cable. There is no active chip on the board.

October 23rd, 2012, 10:31 PM	#4
Brian Cassar Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Malta Posts: 306	Re: Expresscard to usb 3 reader Sony will be introducing a USB3 sxs reader very soon: Sony \| Micro Site XDCAM However at that price I would go for a thunderbolt reader from Sonnet - much cheaper and much faster!

October 23rd, 2012, 10:55 PM	#5
Bill Heslip Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Southeast USA Posts: 129	Re: Expresscard to usb 3 reader I suspected the devil was in the details with that device. Thanks for the education. If you can humor me a while longer, would something like the Kingston FCR-HS3 15-in-1 USB 3.0 Media Reader get me there? It accepts SDHC/SDXC cards (that's the plan) but will it at least see my PCI ExpressCards? I suppose genuine SxS cards are still an option if that would significantly speed up my workflow (PC based) compared to the above. Then there's the reader... Last edited by Bill Heslip; October 23rd, 2012 at 11:00 PM. Reason: clarification

October 24th, 2012, 02:17 AM	#6
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	Re: Expresscard to usb 3 reader Genuine SxS is leaps and bounds faster than SDHC. The only other card format that comes remotely close is XQD. (for which the EX1 and EX1R support via the Expresscard adapter with firmware 1.30) For SDHC, try to find a dedicated (and not 15-in-1) card reader for USB 3.0. The fastest speeds will come most likely from the UHS cards rated at 90MB/s read.

October 24th, 2012, 04:10 PM	#7
Tom Roper Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 1,891	Re: Expresscard to usb 3 reader Isn't it possible to use the camera itself as the express card reader and run a usb cable from it to the pc? I've been using the nanoflash so long that I forgot the current pc I'm using no longer came equipped with an express slot.

October 24th, 2012, 11:55 PM	#8
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	Re: Expresscard to usb 3 reader It is, but that is limited to USB 2.0 speeds in the case of all the current cameras. Bill is asking for full bandwidth transfer of SxS footage via USB 3.0 or Thunderbolt. (Thunderbolt seems to be the best bet at the moment)

October 25th, 2012, 11:17 AM	#9
Bill Heslip Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Southeast USA Posts: 129	Re: Expresscard to usb 3 reader Thanks for everyone's informative posts. Concerning Thunderbolt, is it not a Mac-only protocol at the moment? Jack, if I'm determined to go USB 3.0 (my computer already has the ports), would this device offer any substantial speed increases over simply using the camera USB interface? Sonnet DiO Pro CompactFlash and SDXC USB 3.0 Media Reader Unfortunately, I sent in my EX1 for a firmware update (1.26) right before 1.3 was released, so no QXD option for me. The above device is UHS-1 compliant if that helps.

October 25th, 2012, 02:42 PM	#10
David Dwyer Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chester, North West Posts: 565	Re: Expresscard to usb 3 reader MxM will also have a USB3 reader out soon as well Express34/54 USB 2.0 READER - Silver - (MXM046) - MXM Express

October 25th, 2012, 04:17 PM	#11
Olof Ekbergh Sponsor: Westside AV Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Mount Washington Valley, NH, USA Posts: 1,365	Re: Expresscard to usb 3 reader The TB solution from Sonnet works very well on macs and I see it is compatible with PC's as well, at least in the near future. TB is a great protocol for RAIDs as well. __________________ Olof Ekbergh • olof@WestsideAV.com Westside A V Studios • http://www.WestsideAVstore.com/

October 25th, 2012, 06:57 PM	#12
Bill Heslip Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Southeast USA Posts: 129	Re: Expresscard to usb 3 reader [QUOTE=David Dwyer;1760622]MxM will also have a USB3 reader out soon as well I had my eye on that one but their ship date has drifted so far that I've run out of time.

October 26th, 2012, 01:39 AM	#13
Alister Chapman Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire, UK Posts: 4,957	Re: Expresscard to usb 3 reader The only issue with the Sonnet thunderbolt adapter is that if your mac only has a single TB port you have to figure out an alternative way to connect any external drives or a monitor while using the Express Card reader. Some drives have a TB loop through, but not all and even if you have a single loop through you can't have the drive, Sonnet adapter and an external monitor at the same time :-( The new Macbook pros just launched have 2 thunderbolt ports and USB3 and this would be your best all be it rather expensive option. I use a firewire 800 drives which is a significant improvement over USB, but you don't get the full speed benefits that of the high speed TB transfer due to the FW800 bottleneck. __________________ Alister Chapman, Film-Maker/Stormchaser http://www.xdcam-user.com/alisters-blog/ My XDCAM site and blog. http://www.hurricane-rig.com

October 27th, 2012, 09:57 PM	#15
Dave Sperling Major Player Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Tinton Falls, NJ Posts: 780	Re: Expresscard to usb 3 reader In the meantime, using a pc notebook with expresscard slot and USB3 port, going to external bus powered USB3 hard drives, I've been getting consistent transfer speeds of about 110+ MB/sec from SxS-G1A cards. That's a bit under 5 minutes for a full 32GB card. It's a bit better than transfer speeds from the SxS-Pro cards, though they're still pretty good. I suspect that I might get better speeds going to a raid drive, but the small drives are really convenient.