The 14X zoom at DVinfo.net

Derrick DeWilde · July 10th, 2011, 08:30 PM

I have been doing some research on the EX1, EX1R and the EX3 cameras as I am interesting in moving up to the 1/2 sensors for better low light video and other reasons (stepping up from an XH A1). So I am learning a lot about the media it shoots on, EX1 vs EX3, etc...

One thing I thought I had read along the way was information about the 14X zoom. I have always been used to 20X zoom power going back to the XL2 camera and the XH A1, and moving into a 14X is a bit scarry to me only because I film hunting and we try to get as close to the animal as possible with our cameras.

Back to what I read....I read that the detail the EX camera provides is basically the same picture and detail as I would get from a 20x zoom camera. Is that true? Anyone have any expertise on this?

Also, how noticable will my picture look stepping up from an XH A1?

One more question on the EX1 vs the EX1R - I mainly shoot from a tripod or a tree arm (picture it as a horizontally pivoting tripod that attaches to a tree), so hand holding is hardly ever done except for broll footage. Is there really anything the EX1R can do that the EX1 cannot?

Brian Drysdale · July 11th, 2011, 01:43 AM

You won't get the same angle of view available at the longer end of the EX1 zoom - 5.8 to 81.2 mm (equivalent to 31.4 to 439 mm on 35 mm lens). You could get a teleconverter to match the longer end of the Canon.

Derrick DeWilde · July 11th, 2011, 03:15 PM

OK, so 14X is 14X no matter what. Thanks for the reply!

Anyone have any information on the EX1 vs EX1R as I discussed earlier?

Dave Sperling · July 11th, 2011, 09:30 PM

EX1R has several additions/improvements compared to EX1, here are a few ---
Picture cache recording
Image Invert
HDMI Output
Standard Def recording if desired
One push switch for slow & quick record
Better positioning of several connectors
And of course the better ergonimically designed handle you referred to.

Olof Ekbergh · July 12th, 2011, 05:37 AM

You may want to consider an EX3, you can then use Nikon lenses with an adapter.

This would give you very long lens choices as well as the standard 14x lens. And it is a very affordable way to buy long lenses.

Derrick DeWilde · July 12th, 2011, 08:17 AM

With the Nikon comment, is there a certain Nikon lens I would need? Example, I have a great NIKON still camera with a 300MM lens. Would that attach with the adaptor?

I have been kicking around the EX3 route as well, just so many good choices right now I guess it all comes down to what i want to spend. If I go the used route (I have had good luck with this route in the past), I can stretch my budget. If I go the new route, I may be limited in my choice.

Then there is always the "gotta sell my xh a1 first" and I am not in the mood to just give it away and that is what I have seen on the prices lately.

Still undecided! :)

Les Wilson · July 12th, 2011, 10:10 AM

I think it should be easy to find several discussions of the EX1r vs EX1 tradeoffs.

I upgraded from an A1 to EX1R, like you, wanting improved low light and solid state recording. I find the EX1R to be a fantastic camera that delivers stunning results. There are some other features coming off the A1 that you will also like such as keeping 3 lens rings (after having 3 on the A1 I eliminated other cameras that only had 2), upgrading to full manual focus and finally having independent impedance on the audio channels. I find the XDCAM image quality so good that zooming in post makes up for the loss of optical zoom (for the shooting I do) but your needs are different. Here's a thread I found helpful on tele-extenders for the EX-1:
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdc...omparison.html

I think the one feature that the EX1R has that the EX-1 and the EX3 lack that would be handy for you is the cache recording. It's programmable as to how much time before record is pressed that it caches (some cameras have a fixed amount like 3 seconds).

Another improvement in the EX1r over the EX-1 is that the viewfinder is hi-res. I don't much use the VF but when I needed it, it was really nice.

Anyway, the long lens ability of the EX3 may be more important and the fact that you have some long glass may make it a slam dunk if it can be made compatible. Add to that the economic benefits of picking up a used EX3 and ......

Derrick DeWilde · July 12th, 2011, 03:32 PM

Awesome information Lee. I don't really think the long lens of the EX3 (interchangeable is what I mean) is that important. Most of the good footage is from a tree and it is all bowhunting, so the animals are usually close when it counts.

I think I will be looking at the EX1R for now but definitely shopping for a good deal.

Thanks for all the comments. I will also check out that link Lee.

Les Wilson · July 15th, 2011, 02:01 PM

One other fix made in the EX1R I forgot about was the IR fix. As I understand it, black fabric would have a reddish hue to it on the EX1. An IR filter solved the problem on the EX1 but it's fixed in the EX1R. For me, it's one less thing to be concerned with... am I gonna shoot black fabric?.....is there enough room for a polarizer too?.... rats, I forgot to bring the IR filter..... you get the idea..... :-) YMMV

July 10th, 2011, 08:30 PM	#1
Derrick DeWilde Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Waterloo, IL Posts: 57	The 14X zoom I have been doing some research on the EX1, EX1R and the EX3 cameras as I am interesting in moving up to the 1/2 sensors for better low light video and other reasons (stepping up from an XH A1). So I am learning a lot about the media it shoots on, EX1 vs EX3, etc... One thing I thought I had read along the way was information about the 14X zoom. I have always been used to 20X zoom power going back to the XL2 camera and the XH A1, and moving into a 14X is a bit scarry to me only because I film hunting and we try to get as close to the animal as possible with our cameras. Back to what I read....I read that the detail the EX camera provides is basically the same picture and detail as I would get from a 20x zoom camera. Is that true? Anyone have any expertise on this? Also, how noticable will my picture look stepping up from an XH A1? One more question on the EX1 vs the EX1R - I mainly shoot from a tripod or a tree arm (picture it as a horizontally pivoting tripod that attaches to a tree), so hand holding is hardly ever done except for broll footage. Is there really anything the EX1R can do that the EX1 cannot?

July 11th, 2011, 01:43 AM	#2
Brian Drysdale Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 6,152	Re: The 14X zoom You won't get the same angle of view available at the longer end of the EX1 zoom - 5.8 to 81.2 mm (equivalent to 31.4 to 439 mm on 35 mm lens). You could get a teleconverter to match the longer end of the Canon.

July 11th, 2011, 03:15 PM	#3
Derrick DeWilde Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Waterloo, IL Posts: 57	Re: The 14X zoom OK, so 14X is 14X no matter what. Thanks for the reply! Anyone have any information on the EX1 vs EX1R as I discussed earlier?

July 11th, 2011, 09:30 PM	#4
Dave Sperling Major Player Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Tinton Falls, NJ Posts: 780	Re: The 14X zoom EX1R has several additions/improvements compared to EX1, here are a few --- Picture cache recording Image Invert HDMI Output Standard Def recording if desired One push switch for slow & quick record Better positioning of several connectors And of course the better ergonimically designed handle you referred to.

July 12th, 2011, 05:37 AM	#5
Olof Ekbergh Sponsor: Westside AV Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Mount Washington Valley, NH, USA Posts: 1,365	Re: The 14X zoom You may want to consider an EX3, you can then use Nikon lenses with an adapter. This would give you very long lens choices as well as the standard 14x lens. And it is a very affordable way to buy long lenses. __________________ Olof Ekbergh • olof@WestsideAV.com Westside A V Studios • http://www.WestsideAVstore.com/

July 12th, 2011, 08:17 AM	#6
Derrick DeWilde Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Waterloo, IL Posts: 57	Re: The 14X zoom With the Nikon comment, is there a certain Nikon lens I would need? Example, I have a great NIKON still camera with a 300MM lens. Would that attach with the adaptor? I have been kicking around the EX3 route as well, just so many good choices right now I guess it all comes down to what i want to spend. If I go the used route (I have had good luck with this route in the past), I can stretch my budget. If I go the new route, I may be limited in my choice. Then there is always the "gotta sell my xh a1 first" and I am not in the mood to just give it away and that is what I have seen on the prices lately. Still undecided! :)

July 12th, 2011, 10:10 AM	#7
Les Wilson Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 3,014	Re: The 14X zoom I think it should be easy to find several discussions of the EX1r vs EX1 tradeoffs. I upgraded from an A1 to EX1R, like you, wanting improved low light and solid state recording. I find the EX1R to be a fantastic camera that delivers stunning results. There are some other features coming off the A1 that you will also like such as keeping 3 lens rings (after having 3 on the A1 I eliminated other cameras that only had 2), upgrading to full manual focus and finally having independent impedance on the audio channels. I find the XDCAM image quality so good that zooming in post makes up for the loss of optical zoom (for the shooting I do) but your needs are different. Here's a thread I found helpful on tele-extenders for the EX-1: http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdc...omparison.html I think the one feature that the EX1R has that the EX-1 and the EX3 lack that would be handy for you is the cache recording. It's programmable as to how much time before record is pressed that it caches (some cameras have a fixed amount like 3 seconds). Another improvement in the EX1r over the EX-1 is that the viewfinder is hi-res. I don't much use the VF but when I needed it, it was really nice. Anyway, the long lens ability of the EX3 may be more important and the fact that you have some long glass may make it a slam dunk if it can be made compatible. Add to that the economic benefits of picking up a used EX3 and ......

July 12th, 2011, 03:32 PM	#8
Derrick DeWilde Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Waterloo, IL Posts: 57	Re: The 14X zoom Awesome information Lee. I don't really think the long lens of the EX3 (interchangeable is what I mean) is that important. Most of the good footage is from a tree and it is all bowhunting, so the animals are usually close when it counts. I think I will be looking at the EX1R for now but definitely shopping for a good deal. Thanks for all the comments. I will also check out that link Lee.

July 15th, 2011, 02:01 PM	#9
Les Wilson Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 3,014	Re: The 14X zoom One other fix made in the EX1R I forgot about was the IR fix. As I understand it, black fabric would have a reddish hue to it on the EX1. An IR filter solved the problem on the EX1 but it's fixed in the EX1R. For me, it's one less thing to be concerned with... am I gonna shoot black fabric?.....is there enough room for a polarizer too?.... rats, I forgot to bring the IR filter..... you get the idea..... :-) YMMV