ex1/r users, handheld/tripod/monopod at DVinfo.net

Jim Stamos · July 29th, 2010, 12:43 AM

i see so many people that love this camera. what cameras were you shooting with before? since its so ergonomically not easy to handhold for a long time, i take it most users are going tripod/monopod most of the time.
coming from shooting with a dsr300, ive tried the ex and i have to have a vf to look through especially on a tripod. the vf on the ex is unusable so looking at the lcd all the time im not keen on.
so im leaning to the ex3, hoping that the exmount.com brace will work for it. i would love to have a cam that i can run and gun with but also shoot shoulder mount.
now that sony has their 1/2 inch ex shoulder mount out, i may just go that route, since the other 2 are not the easiest to handhold for long periods.
input welcom

Olof Ekbergh · July 29th, 2010, 05:58 AM

The use of a HoodLoop on the EX1 cam turns the LCD into a very good viewfinder. Almost as nice as the EX3.

My cam before the EX3 was the DSR500. And after making a shoulder brace with IDX battery plate for it. I find the EX3 to be just as balanced as the 500, but a lot lighter.

And the HD image quality of the EXcams is terrific.

The EX1 can also benefit from my shoulder brace system. Though if you are going to primarily shoot on the shoulder I would get the EX3.

95% of my shooting is on sticks StediCam various dolly's or tracks. But I do shoot off the shoulder from time to time. If it is just a 15 minute session on the shoulder and them back to the sticks. I like my EX1R with a hoodloop and my short shoulder brace. If it is a longer period of shouldering I will grab my EX3 with the IDX batteries on my brace to balance the cam.

I often use the NanoFlash with the EXcams and it adds 422 recording that really helps for heavy grading projects and it keeps the BBC etc. happy.

Below are a couple photos of the shoulder setups.

If you have any more questions contact me.
olof@westsideav.com
Westside A V Studios WEB Store
603.383.9283

Piotr Wozniacki · July 29th, 2010, 07:01 AM

I've used my EX1 almost exclusively on the tripod or the RR shoulder mount, until I got Olof's solution he describes above - and now I'm a happy hand-held shooter, as well!

Les Wilson · July 29th, 2010, 11:54 AM

I used the EX1r for several hours run and gun. The rotating handgrip is wonderful. It enables handheld shots that that you can't use a traditional handgrip to do. I found it no more wearing to hold in traditional fashion either as the new design does indeed shift the palm more under the camera and the strap stays tight. In fact, the rotating hand grip makes it easier to use handheld for long periods because when I took a rest, I could cradle the camera easily and in a more comfortable position in both arms to hold the weight while relaxing my hand all without taking it off. The handgrip also lets you use your fingers on shots you would otherwise have to use the handle for and only have a thumb for operation.

As mentioned, the Hoodman Loupe may give you the eyepiece on the side that you want. However, the EX1R also has a new VF that is hi-res like the LCD. Again, the rotating handgrip makes it much easier to use the VF than a traditional handgrip/handle because you can hold it better and with less strain at a more comfortable eye level. YMMV

Robert Young · July 29th, 2010, 12:11 PM

I find the EX1r to be a little easier to handhold than the original EX1, but still a problem for me.
My most frequent solution to the problem is a monopod. I get very stable shots & not too clumsy to run around with. With the pod collapsed, but still attached, I can still easily do moving/flying shots.
Also, I can remove it with the quick release, toss it over my shoulder, and shoot traditional hand held when needed.

Steve Pond · August 3rd, 2010, 01:37 AM

I've been using a Manfrotto 561BHDV monopod for the more fluid situations, and I just picked up a new 536 tripod with a 504HD head for the more stationary stuff. I've just received the latter, so I don't have much of an opinion yet, but the 561BHDV monopod has worked well for me. It's made specially for video use. The fluid head is unique to a monopod, so it's not someone that will work on a tripod. There's no rotational damping in the head. Instead, the monpod has three small feet at the bottom, in the middle of which is a damper that smooths out rotational movement. For video shot from my shoulder, I just pop the camera out of the quick release and it's ready to go. There may be better solutions, but I like the control and portability that I have with the monopod, and I have a nagging back injury, so even a balanced shoulder mount isn't an option for extended shooting. The weight limit is 4kg, or nearly 9 pounds, so an EX3 is at the upper limit of the capacity or slightly beyond, but it works for me.

Manfrotto 561BHDV - FLUID VIDEO MONOPOD W/HEAD

Dean Sensui · August 3rd, 2010, 04:19 AM

I shoot the vast majority of my work handheld.

My EX1 has a shoulder mount that I cobbled together myself, and I'm using a Hood Loupe viewfinder. That shifts more of the weight to the rear.

Any shoulder mount will help stabilize the camera. The trick is finding one that works for you.

Joe Oliverio · August 3rd, 2010, 12:22 PM

We've been using the Steddipod (Barbertech Video Products) for a number of years now and have really liked its versatility. I almost exclusively use it for hand-held work. The EX1R is a little heavy for it and you have to be carefull when you let it stand alone as a tripod. But otherwise it is really nice to have a monopod, boom and tripod all in one unit. For long toasts, I put it in tripod mode and boy it is a lot easier on me when the bestman or father decides to give a 15 minute speech and I don't have my regular tripod handy. I can let go completely and relax which you can't do with the Manfrotto.

Anyway, my 2 cents.

JoeO.

Steve Pond · August 3rd, 2010, 03:46 PM

Good call Joe. That looks like a nice piece of equipment and I'll have to give it a try.

Dean Harrington · August 3rd, 2010, 07:13 PM

The exmount looks very interesting. I have the ex3 shoulder mount from DM Accessories and it works fine but ... the exmount would better fit my needs. I don't see it available via their site? Anyone have this?

Nathan Swinn · August 4th, 2010, 05:30 AM

Occasionally I wish I had a shoulder mount camera instead of my EXr. But I don't want to go back to lugging around a big camera and the big gear that goes with supporting a larger camera.

I haven't used an EX, but I can get very steady, reliable, handheld shots, with my R. I've moved the baseplate back quite a ways, and can anchor it against my shoulder\chest if need be. Extended periods of handheld work will make my grip thumb throb but muscle memory is starting to catch up.

I only use the vf when lighting conditions don't allow for use of the LCD. That's when peaking and DOF meter are useful tools. It feels weird, but very steady and easy handheld shots are easy when you use the vf as an anchor. Hard to do with eyeglass, though.

I use a tripod for extended interviews, pans, statics, and have invested in a cinesaddle which is a really useful tool.

Paul Rule · December 13th, 2010, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean Harrington

The exmount looks very interesting. I have the ex3 shoulder mount from DM Accessories and it works fine but ... the exmount would better fit my needs. I don't see it available via their site? Anyone have this?

EXMount.com has updated their site with more product information, pricing and according to the site, on November 7 there was stock available - EXMount.com - EXMount Product Range

I guess if you have questions that aren't answered on the website, you could email mark@exmount.com (thats the contact as listed on the site).

Les Wilson · December 13th, 2010, 06:43 PM

Paul, you posted in this EX1/R thread but I don't see any products for the EX1. Am I missing something?

Keith Dobie · December 15th, 2010, 09:55 AM

Hi Jim: I've had the EX1R for two months now. It's been a big adjustment from previous cameras. My DV camera is a shoulder-mount JVC GY-DV5000, and previously have used Sony DSR-300A as well as other shoulder-mount cameras going back to dockable Betacams and even S-VHS.
I'm getting better at shooting handheld with the EX1R, but it's nothing like shooting with a heavy shoulder-mount camera. Then again, I totally appreciate how light the EX1R is, and all the other things it offers. I am not missing lugging around my heavy camera bag. I shoot on tripod easily 90% of the time. In time will add a monopod and will try out a shoulder support system like was suggested above by Olof.

The Hoodman LCD attachment loupe is an excellent addition, as was also suggested. It's not perfect but it sure makes shooting handheld a lot better.

Good luck!

James Downie · December 16th, 2010, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Les Wilson

Paul, you posted in this EX1/R thread but I don't see any products for the EX1. Am I missing something?

They don't seem to make the EXMount for the EX1/R. That's a shame. It looks like it would be a really good solution.

July 29th, 2010, 12:43 AM	#1
Jim Stamos Major Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 565	ex1/r users, handheld/tripod/monopod i see so many people that love this camera. what cameras were you shooting with before? since its so ergonomically not easy to handhold for a long time, i take it most users are going tripod/monopod most of the time. coming from shooting with a dsr300, ive tried the ex and i have to have a vf to look through especially on a tripod. the vf on the ex is unusable so looking at the lcd all the time im not keen on. so im leaning to the ex3, hoping that the exmount.com brace will work for it. i would love to have a cam that i can run and gun with but also shoot shoulder mount. now that sony has their 1/2 inch ex shoulder mount out, i may just go that route, since the other 2 are not the easiest to handhold for long periods. input welcom

July 29th, 2010, 05:58 AM	#2
Olof Ekbergh Sponsor: Westside AV Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Mount Washington Valley, NH, USA Posts: 1,365	The use of a HoodLoop on the EX1 cam turns the LCD into a very good viewfinder. Almost as nice as the EX3. My cam before the EX3 was the DSR500. And after making a shoulder brace with IDX battery plate for it. I find the EX3 to be just as balanced as the 500, but a lot lighter. And the HD image quality of the EXcams is terrific. The EX1 can also benefit from my shoulder brace system. Though if you are going to primarily shoot on the shoulder I would get the EX3. 95% of my shooting is on sticks StediCam various dolly's or tracks. But I do shoot off the shoulder from time to time. If it is just a 15 minute session on the shoulder and them back to the sticks. I like my EX1R with a hoodloop and my short shoulder brace. If it is a longer period of shouldering I will grab my EX3 with the IDX batteries on my brace to balance the cam. I often use the NanoFlash with the EXcams and it adds 422 recording that really helps for heavy grading projects and it keeps the BBC etc. happy. Below are a couple photos of the shoulder setups. If you have any more questions contact me. olof@westsideav.com Westside A V Studios WEB Store 603.383.9283 Attached Thumbnails Attached Images __________________ Olof Ekbergh • olof@WestsideAV.com Westside A V Studios • http://www.WestsideAVstore.com/

July 29th, 2010, 07:01 AM	#3
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	I've used my EX1 almost exclusively on the tripod or the RR shoulder mount, until I got Olof's solution he describes above - and now I'm a happy hand-held shooter, as well! __________________ Sony PXW-FS7 \| DaVinci Resolve Studio; Magix Vegas Pro; i7-5960X CPU; 64 GB RAM; 2x GTX 1080 8GB GPU; Decklink 4K Extreme 12G; 4x 3TB WD Black in RAID 0; 1TB M.2 NVMe cache drive

July 29th, 2010, 12:11 PM	#5
Robert Young Trustee Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Coronado Island Posts: 1,472	I find the EX1r to be a little easier to handhold than the original EX1, but still a problem for me. My most frequent solution to the problem is a monopod. I get very stable shots & not too clumsy to run around with. With the pod collapsed, but still attached, I can still easily do moving/flying shots. Also, I can remove it with the quick release, toss it over my shoulder, and shoot traditional hand held when needed. __________________ Bob

August 3rd, 2010, 04:19 AM	#7
Dean Sensui Inner Circle Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 2,054	I shoot the vast majority of my work handheld. My EX1 has a shoulder mount that I cobbled together myself, and I'm using a Hood Loupe viewfinder. That shifts more of the weight to the rear. Any shoulder mount will help stabilize the camera. The trick is finding one that works for you. __________________ Dean Sensui Exec Producer, Hawaii Goes Fishing

July 29th, 2010, 11:54 AM	#4
Les Wilson Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 3,014	I used the EX1r for several hours run and gun. The rotating handgrip is wonderful. It enables handheld shots that that you can't use a traditional handgrip to do. I found it no more wearing to hold in traditional fashion either as the new design does indeed shift the palm more under the camera and the strap stays tight. In fact, the rotating hand grip makes it easier to use handheld for long periods because when I took a rest, I could cradle the camera easily and in a more comfortable position in both arms to hold the weight while relaxing my hand all without taking it off. The handgrip also lets you use your fingers on shots you would otherwise have to use the handle for and only have a thumb for operation. As mentioned, the Hoodman Loupe may give you the eyepiece on the side that you want. However, the EX1R also has a new VF that is hi-res like the LCD. Again, the rotating handgrip makes it much easier to use the VF than a traditional handgrip/handle because you can hold it better and with less strain at a more comfortable eye level. YMMV

August 3rd, 2010, 01:37 AM	#6
Steve Pond Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 44	I've been using a Manfrotto 561BHDV monopod for the more fluid situations, and I just picked up a new 536 tripod with a 504HD head for the more stationary stuff. I've just received the latter, so I don't have much of an opinion yet, but the 561BHDV monopod has worked well for me. It's made specially for video use. The fluid head is unique to a monopod, so it's not someone that will work on a tripod. There's no rotational damping in the head. Instead, the monpod has three small feet at the bottom, in the middle of which is a damper that smooths out rotational movement. For video shot from my shoulder, I just pop the camera out of the quick release and it's ready to go. There may be better solutions, but I like the control and portability that I have with the monopod, and I have a nagging back injury, so even a balanced shoulder mount isn't an option for extended shooting. The weight limit is 4kg, or nearly 9 pounds, so an EX3 is at the upper limit of the capacity or slightly beyond, but it works for me. Manfrotto 561BHDV - FLUID VIDEO MONOPOD W/HEAD

August 3rd, 2010, 12:22 PM	#8
Joe Oliverio New Boot Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 15	We've been using the Steddipod (Barbertech Video Products) for a number of years now and have really liked its versatility. I almost exclusively use it for hand-held work. The EX1R is a little heavy for it and you have to be carefull when you let it stand alone as a tripod. But otherwise it is really nice to have a monopod, boom and tripod all in one unit. For long toasts, I put it in tripod mode and boy it is a lot easier on me when the bestman or father decides to give a 15 minute speech and I don't have my regular tripod handy. I can let go completely and relax which you can't do with the Manfrotto. Anyway, my 2 cents. JoeO.

August 3rd, 2010, 03:46 PM	#9
Steve Pond Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 44	Good call Joe. That looks like a nice piece of equipment and I'll have to give it a try.

August 3rd, 2010, 07:13 PM	#10
Dean Harrington Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Tokyo Posts: 898	exmount ... The exmount looks very interesting. I have the ex3 shoulder mount from DM Accessories and it works fine but ... the exmount would better fit my needs. I don't see it available via their site? Anyone have this? __________________ Sony EX3, Panasonic DVX 100, SG Blade, Nanoflash, FCP 7, MacBookPro intel. http://www.deanharringtonvisual.com/

August 4th, 2010, 05:30 AM	#11
Nathan Swinn Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 35	Occasionally I wish I had a shoulder mount camera instead of my EXr. But I don't want to go back to lugging around a big camera and the big gear that goes with supporting a larger camera. I haven't used an EX, but I can get very steady, reliable, handheld shots, with my R. I've moved the baseplate back quite a ways, and can anchor it against my shoulder\chest if need be. Extended periods of handheld work will make my grip thumb throb but muscle memory is starting to catch up. I only use the vf when lighting conditions don't allow for use of the LCD. That's when peaking and DOF meter are useful tools. It feels weird, but very steady and easy handheld shots are easy when you use the vf as an anchor. Hard to do with eyeglass, though. I use a tripod for extended interviews, pans, statics, and have invested in a cinesaddle which is a really useful tool.

December 13th, 2010, 06:43 PM	#13
Les Wilson Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 3,014	Paul, you posted in this EX1/R thread but I don't see any products for the EX1. Am I missing something?

December 15th, 2010, 09:55 AM	#14
Keith Dobie Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 172	Hi Jim: I've had the EX1R for two months now. It's been a big adjustment from previous cameras. My DV camera is a shoulder-mount JVC GY-DV5000, and previously have used Sony DSR-300A as well as other shoulder-mount cameras going back to dockable Betacams and even S-VHS. I'm getting better at shooting handheld with the EX1R, but it's nothing like shooting with a heavy shoulder-mount camera. Then again, I totally appreciate how light the EX1R is, and all the other things it offers. I am not missing lugging around my heavy camera bag. I shoot on tripod easily 90% of the time. In time will add a monopod and will try out a shoulder support system like was suggested above by Olof. The Hoodman LCD attachment loupe is an excellent addition, as was also suggested. It's not perfect but it sure makes shooting handheld a lot better. Good luck!