EX1r record button lag at DVinfo.net

Mark OConnell · March 23rd, 2010, 03:12 PM

The time lag between hitting record and having the record indicator light up has really thrown me off a few times. Like: something is happening fast, I hit record, I don't see a light, I think maybe I didn't fully depress the button, I hit it again turning record off. That kind of thing... Apparently the processor has some tasks to perform before recording can actually start, if that assumption is correct maybe there should be a progress bar, or some kind of indicator, letting you know that recording is actually about to begin. What do you think?

Shaun Roemich · March 23rd, 2010, 05:03 PM

Back in the analog tape days, the first 5 or so seconds after pressing Record was unusable, due to ballistics of the tape transport "coming up to speed" and then the resultant issues on the VTR playback side.

Perhaps if this IS an issue, you could engage the loop recording mode. The small number of times I've used the EX1r, we've used it that way.

David Knaggs · March 23rd, 2010, 05:06 PM

Maybe set the Picture Cache to the full 15 seconds. Then, if after 5 seconds, you find it's still not recording, you've still got 10 seconds worth in the cache and can then press record properly and not miss anything. That's all I can think of.

Mark OConnell · March 23rd, 2010, 05:45 PM

Only problem there is that record cache doesn't work in S&Q motion mode. I'm overcranking a good part of the time.

Don Greening · March 24th, 2010, 12:11 AM

Mark, my EX1R begins recording within .5 to 1 second after pressing the record button. It doesn't matter if I'm shooting regular speed or with S & Q activated. The only "processing" that may be occurring with your camera that I can think of is if you're using recording media other than SxS Pro memory cards. Are you using some sort of SDHC media?

- Don

Robert Young · March 24th, 2010, 12:42 AM

I am using SD cards in my EX1r, and my recording response time is easily less than one second for either HQ or S&Q 60 fps mode.
What you are describing does not sound characteristic of this camera.
I have no idea if this is a factor, but I have installed the latest firmware release.

Mark OConnell · March 24th, 2010, 12:19 PM

I'm using the regular memory cards. The .5 to 1 second is what I'm talking about. I really wish that during that albeit brief time there were some kind of visual indication that record was actually engaged.

Robert Young · March 24th, 2010, 06:29 PM

If you have the TC or Duration display turned on (upper right corner of the LCD), you will see it start advancing when the actual recording starts.
If you need faster response than a fraction of a second, you may need to set the cache record function to, like, 5 sec. and just leave it on. That would be pretty bulletproof.

Marty Welk · March 26th, 2010, 04:32 AM

acts just like tape, push button wait for roll foreward, push stop wait for tape rollback
Digital , Push button wait for buffer fill, push stop wait for cache clear.

only the name has changed to protect the innocent :-)

switch the audo beeper on, mabey tone it down a bit, when you hit record it beeps, problem is when you stop again it DOESNT :-( so if you doubble hit, you might not know you stopped.

think its about time for "The Record X Coalition"
Here at the Record X Coalition, we advocate the displays in ALL video cameras always show a big thin red X across the screen, when they are not actually recording anything. At Rec-X we feel that tiny leds, and stupid little leters at the top are insufficient warning that the user is standing there making a complete fool of themselves and about to be sued.
The intense and proper operation of a camera puts a camerperson in a position of needing all the assistance they can get , so they can concentrate on the subject at hand, and the other 50 things in the camera.
At the Record X coalition we intend to legislate international goverments to force all cameras made after 2004 , to have approprite warning that the user , who is working so diligantly filming things, actually knows when they are not.
join us at the record X colalition and sign the petition and donate to our skilled lobbyist today. ;-)

ok so it didnt work in 2004 :-) but its 2010 now, time for change .

Mark OConnell · March 28th, 2010, 05:36 PM

I think that's a great idea Marty.

edit:

But all I really want is an indication that recording is about to begin, like a progress bar, or the record light could flash, or something.

March 23rd, 2010, 03:12 PM	#1
Mark OConnell Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Seattle WA Posts: 420	EX1r record button lag The time lag between hitting record and having the record indicator light up has really thrown me off a few times. Like: something is happening fast, I hit record, I don't see a light, I think maybe I didn't fully depress the button, I hit it again turning record off. That kind of thing... Apparently the processor has some tasks to perform before recording can actually start, if that assumption is correct maybe there should be a progress bar, or some kind of indicator, letting you know that recording is actually about to begin. What do you think? __________________ http://www.markoconnell.org

March 23rd, 2010, 05:03 PM	#2
Shaun Roemich Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia (formerly Winnipeg, Manitoba) Canada Posts: 4,088	Back in the analog tape days, the first 5 or so seconds after pressing Record was unusable, due to ballistics of the tape transport "coming up to speed" and then the resultant issues on the VTR playback side. Perhaps if this IS an issue, you could engage the loop recording mode. The small number of times I've used the EX1r, we've used it that way. __________________ Shaun C. Roemich Road Dog Media - Vancouver, BC - Videographer - Webcaster www.roaddogmedia.ca Blog: http://roaddogmedia.wordpress.com/

March 23rd, 2010, 05:45 PM	#4
Mark OConnell Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Seattle WA Posts: 420	Only problem there is that record cache doesn't work in S&Q motion mode. I'm overcranking a good part of the time. __________________ http://www.markoconnell.org

March 24th, 2010, 12:42 AM	#6
Robert Young Trustee Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Coronado Island Posts: 1,472	I am using SD cards in my EX1r, and my recording response time is easily less than one second for either HQ or S&Q 60 fps mode. What you are describing does not sound characteristic of this camera. I have no idea if this is a factor, but I have installed the latest firmware release. __________________ Bob

March 24th, 2010, 12:19 PM	#7
Mark OConnell Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Seattle WA Posts: 420	I'm using the regular memory cards. The .5 to 1 second is what I'm talking about. I really wish that during that albeit brief time there were some kind of visual indication that record was actually engaged. __________________ http://www.markoconnell.org

March 23rd, 2010, 05:06 PM	#3
David Knaggs Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 826	Maybe set the Picture Cache to the full 15 seconds. Then, if after 5 seconds, you find it's still not recording, you've still got 10 seconds worth in the cache and can then press record properly and not miss anything. That's all I can think of.

March 24th, 2010, 12:11 AM	#5
Don Greening Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Port Coquitlam BC Canada Posts: 179	Mark, my EX1R begins recording within .5 to 1 second after pressing the record button. It doesn't matter if I'm shooting regular speed or with S & Q activated. The only "processing" that may be occurring with your camera that I can think of is if you're using recording media other than SxS Pro memory cards. Are you using some sort of SDHC media? - Don

March 24th, 2010, 06:29 PM	#8
Robert Young Trustee Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Coronado Island Posts: 1,472	If you have the TC or Duration display turned on (upper right corner of the LCD), you will see it start advancing when the actual recording starts. If you need faster response than a fraction of a second, you may need to set the cache record function to, like, 5 sec. and just leave it on. That would be pretty bulletproof. __________________ Bob

March 26th, 2010, 04:32 AM	#9
Marty Welk Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: East Bay Cali Posts: 563	acts just like tape, push button wait for roll foreward, push stop wait for tape rollback Digital , Push button wait for buffer fill, push stop wait for cache clear. only the name has changed to protect the innocent :-) switch the audo beeper on, mabey tone it down a bit, when you hit record it beeps, problem is when you stop again it DOESNT :-( so if you doubble hit, you might not know you stopped. think its about time for "The Record X Coalition" Here at the Record X Coalition, we advocate the displays in ALL video cameras always show a big thin red X across the screen, when they are not actually recording anything. At Rec-X we feel that tiny leds, and stupid little leters at the top are insufficient warning that the user is standing there making a complete fool of themselves and about to be sued. The intense and proper operation of a camera puts a camerperson in a position of needing all the assistance they can get , so they can concentrate on the subject at hand, and the other 50 things in the camera. At the Record X coalition we intend to legislate international goverments to force all cameras made after 2004 , to have approprite warning that the user , who is working so diligantly filming things, actually knows when they are not. join us at the record X colalition and sign the petition and donate to our skilled lobbyist today. ;-) ok so it didnt work in 2004 :-) but its 2010 now, time for change . __________________ ----------------sig----------------- Re-learning everything all over again, one more time.

March 28th, 2010, 05:36 PM	#10
Mark OConnell Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Seattle WA Posts: 420	I think that's a great idea Marty. edit: But all I really want is an indication that recording is about to begin, like a progress bar, or the record light could flash, or something. __________________ http://www.markoconnell.org Last edited by Mark OConnell; March 28th, 2010 at 07:27 PM.