Clipbrowser Takes out the Rolling Shutter! at DVinfo.net

Sean Seah · November 11th, 2009, 08:51 AM

Attended the EX1R launch in my country today and the Factory Manager from Japan demonstrated the new clip browser's ability to repair the rolling shutter effect automatically. That is really cool as us EX1, EX3 users will benefit from it. Anyway, he explained it was not implemented in EX1R like the HPX300 because there may be hits and misses by doing it on the fly. Only thing I'm not sure which version of the clipbrowser he was using as it was in Japanese!

Craig Seeman · November 11th, 2009, 09:48 AM

ClipBrowser 2.6 does this. It has a manual and and auto detection mode. It's already available for download in some countries. It fixes the "camera flash" rolling shutter issue (partial flash frame). I suspect doing it in software after shooting allows more control than building it camera. This way if the auto detection misses one can still fix manually.

Charles Newcomb · November 11th, 2009, 10:13 AM

What am I missing? Why would they make it available in some countries and not in others?

Craig Seeman · November 11th, 2009, 10:21 AM

Apparently Sony's websites are maintained separately so it's not a "master plan" when it comes to software updates. Since I have visited EU, Canada, USA website, I can say the USA site is almost always last and often the updates aren not well documented. For example, USA website still post the current XDCAM Transfer as 2.7 even though it links to 2.10. It posts SxS driver as 1.0.3 although it links to the Mac version 1.0.4.

I suspect Clip Browser 2.6 will roll out in the USA in December with the release of the EX1R. I believe the EU site has 2.6 already which is where I got it from. Basically I register at all the Sony sites and grab it from whoever gets something first . . . which is never the USA site. In order to do this I believe I had to identify New York as city in the UK. It's just a minor modification of history after all.

Andy Wilkinson · November 11th, 2009, 02:31 PM

Well there we go again, good old Europe, and in particular us in the UK, are ahead of the pack! ;-)

Seriously though, you'd think Sony would get their head round this stuff and realise it's a global marketplace they are supporting.

Or maybe we're just the Beta testers and you guys only get access when we've shown it's not bug ridden...

Sean Seah · November 11th, 2009, 07:16 PM

One more interesting news is Sony will offically allow us to update the firmware finally. (No more depot) Due to the new 32Gb SxS-1, the firmware must be upgraded to handle that.

Swen Goebbels · November 16th, 2009, 03:12 PM

I filmed a photoshooting last week and thought the auto detection of the new Clip Browser 2.6 will correct the footage but I was stupid enough not to test this tool BEFORE I took that job. So Yesterday I did run a test and it does not detect any flash in the video.... so what am I doing wrong? The only thing which works fine is the manual flash removal tool, but I have filmed 3,5 hours on that photoshoting and don't like to remove this by hand.

I don't think that the Software cause the problem, it can't work so bad I think so I search for my operating mistake (BTW: The Clip Browser User Guide which I downloaded with the Software from the Sony UK Website is just for version 2.5, not v2.6).

So for example, when I click with the right mouse button onto a clip which contains a flash and chose "Flash Band" then "Detect and Correct" and to make it more easy for the software "in and out section" with just a two second sequence which contains one flash it won't detect anything! The same happens when I chose the complete clip to do that.... I tried this with a lot of different clips with different flash settings and I was not able to make the software detecting any of these flashes. Very disappointing!

What am I doing wrong? Any ideas?

Steve Kalle · November 16th, 2009, 08:16 PM

I'm starting another thread about the problems I have been having lately. I tried Clip Browser 2.6 last night and it kept crashing my Win 7 pc. It happened at the same point in time within the clip so I am assuming it found flash and couldn't deal with it. I don't know whats wrong but its useless to me.

Alister Chapman · November 17th, 2009, 12:25 AM

Swen, how long are the clips? The clips need to be quite long to allow the software to work out what is "normal".

Swen Goebbels · November 17th, 2009, 01:23 AM

Alister,

thank you for your info about that. I thought it will be easier for the software to work with shorter clips.... I will try it now with longer clips and let you know.

Swen Goebbels · November 17th, 2009, 02:19 AM

Now I tried some clips longer than 2 Minutes, but I don't get this tool working. I still think I operate the software wrong. Furthermore I did select now about 120 of these clips (in total about 50 minutes), then right mouse button "detect and correct"... at the end the message is "Detect Clips120 Corrected Clips 0". Also when the software really would not work perfect, there must be about 100 flashes within these clip and it should detect at least some of them.

I think there must be an info for each clip when I select the clip and click on Flash Band under the Preview Monitor. There is zero info in the timecode, detect or status field and the clips look still untouched. Also in the Folder "Flash Band" (think that's the place where clipBrowser will place the corrected clips) is empty!

Any idea what I'm doing wrong? Or maybe a OS problem? I'm running the ClipBrowser v2.6 on Vista 64 on Quad Core Notebook. As Steve wrote he has problems on his Windows 7 machine. Maybe the sometimes strange "user accounts settings" on Vista cause the trouble and will not allow the clipbrowser to change something on the clips or to copy them ???

C.S. Michael · November 18th, 2009, 11:16 PM

I'm also having problems with Clip Browser 2.6 on my 64-bit Windows 7 machine -- major crash (system completely froze while retrieving the first clip).

Craig Seeman · November 19th, 2009, 07:10 AM

It seems there may be a compatibility issue with Windows 7 so I hear. So it's not just us Mac Snow Leopard users who had to suffer. I guess Sony didn't have enough lead time to develop a 7 compatible version as the OS beta only went public . . . how many months ago!

Adam Plywaczewski · November 19th, 2009, 08:46 AM

Well, our ClipBrowser paired with OSX 10.5, nor with Windows XP did not detect any of the obvious flashes from the 6 minutes long photoshoot footage recorded. So what's detect mode for?

Martin Kolditz · May 21st, 2011, 11:24 AM

In my experience, rolling shutter can be described as slanting of vertical lines during a fast pan. If CB 2.6 can remove rolling shutter, can someone please show me where to do this? I only see flash band removal... sorry for sounding "newbyish"!!!

Cheers...
Martin

November 11th, 2009, 08:51 AM	#1
Sean Seah Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,498	Clipbrowser Takes out the Rolling Shutter! Attended the EX1R launch in my country today and the Factory Manager from Japan demonstrated the new clip browser's ability to repair the rolling shutter effect automatically. That is really cool as us EX1, EX3 users will benefit from it. Anyway, he explained it was not implemented in EX1R like the HPX300 because there may be hits and misses by doing it on the fly. Only thing I'm not sure which version of the clipbrowser he was using as it was in Japanese!

November 11th, 2009, 02:31 PM	#5
Andy Wilkinson Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cambridge UK Posts: 2,853	Well there we go again, good old Europe, and in particular us in the UK, are ahead of the pack! ;-) Seriously though, you'd think Sony would get their head round this stuff and realise it's a global marketplace they are supporting. Or maybe we're just the Beta testers and you guys only get access when we've shown it's not bug ridden... __________________ Andy K Wilkinson - https://www.shootingimage.co.uk Cambridge (UK) Corporate Video Production

November 17th, 2009, 12:25 AM	#9
Alister Chapman Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire, UK Posts: 4,957	Swen, how long are the clips? The clips need to be quite long to allow the software to work out what is "normal". __________________ Alister Chapman, Film-Maker/Stormchaser http://www.xdcam-user.com/alisters-blog/ My XDCAM site and blog. http://www.hurricane-rig.com

November 18th, 2009, 11:16 PM	#12
C.S. Michael Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 197	I'm also having problems with Clip Browser 2.6 on my 64-bit Windows 7 machine -- major crash (system completely froze while retrieving the first clip). __________________ Bored? Check out my blog (shot with Sony EX1, Panasonic TM700, Nikon D7100, Sony NEX-5N, GoPro2): LongLongHoneymoon.com

May 21st, 2011, 11:24 AM	#15
Martin Kolditz Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 26	Re: Clipbrowser Takes out the Rolling Shutter! In my experience, rolling shutter can be described as slanting of vertical lines during a fast pan. If CB 2.6 can remove rolling shutter, can someone please show me where to do this? I only see flash band removal... sorry for sounding "newbyish"!!! Cheers... Martin

November 11th, 2009, 09:48 AM	#2
Craig Seeman Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Posts: 3,841	ClipBrowser 2.6 does this. It has a manual and and auto detection mode. It's already available for download in some countries. It fixes the "camera flash" rolling shutter issue (partial flash frame). I suspect doing it in software after shooting allows more control than building it camera. This way if the auto detection misses one can still fix manually.

November 11th, 2009, 10:13 AM	#3
Charles Newcomb Major Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Salida, Colorado Posts: 561	What am I missing? Why would they make it available in some countries and not in others?

November 11th, 2009, 10:21 AM	#4
Craig Seeman Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Posts: 3,841	Apparently Sony's websites are maintained separately so it's not a "master plan" when it comes to software updates. Since I have visited EU, Canada, USA website, I can say the USA site is almost always last and often the updates aren not well documented. For example, USA website still post the current XDCAM Transfer as 2.7 even though it links to 2.10. It posts SxS driver as 1.0.3 although it links to the Mac version 1.0.4. I suspect Clip Browser 2.6 will roll out in the USA in December with the release of the EX1R. I believe the EU site has 2.6 already which is where I got it from. Basically I register at all the Sony sites and grab it from whoever gets something first . . . which is never the USA site. In order to do this I believe I had to identify New York as city in the UK. It's just a minor modification of history after all.

November 11th, 2009, 07:16 PM	#6
Sean Seah Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,498	One more interesting news is Sony will offically allow us to update the firmware finally. (No more depot) Due to the new 32Gb SxS-1, the firmware must be upgraded to handle that.

November 16th, 2009, 03:12 PM	#7
Swen Goebbels Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Aachen, Germany and Las Vegas NV Posts: 107	I filmed a photoshooting last week and thought the auto detection of the new Clip Browser 2.6 will correct the footage but I was stupid enough not to test this tool BEFORE I took that job. So Yesterday I did run a test and it does not detect any flash in the video.... so what am I doing wrong? The only thing which works fine is the manual flash removal tool, but I have filmed 3,5 hours on that photoshoting and don't like to remove this by hand. I don't think that the Software cause the problem, it can't work so bad I think so I search for my operating mistake (BTW: The Clip Browser User Guide which I downloaded with the Software from the Sony UK Website is just for version 2.5, not v2.6). So for example, when I click with the right mouse button onto a clip which contains a flash and chose "Flash Band" then "Detect and Correct" and to make it more easy for the software "in and out section" with just a two second sequence which contains one flash it won't detect anything! The same happens when I chose the complete clip to do that.... I tried this with a lot of different clips with different flash settings and I was not able to make the software detecting any of these flashes. Very disappointing! What am I doing wrong? Any ideas?

November 16th, 2009, 08:16 PM	#8
Steve Kalle Trustee Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,554	I'm starting another thread about the problems I have been having lately. I tried Clip Browser 2.6 last night and it kept crashing my Win 7 pc. It happened at the same point in time within the clip so I am assuming it found flash and couldn't deal with it. I don't know whats wrong but its useless to me.

November 17th, 2009, 01:23 AM	#10
Swen Goebbels Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Aachen, Germany and Las Vegas NV Posts: 107	Alister, thank you for your info about that. I thought it will be easier for the software to work with shorter clips.... I will try it now with longer clips and let you know.

November 17th, 2009, 02:19 AM	#11
Swen Goebbels Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Aachen, Germany and Las Vegas NV Posts: 107	Now I tried some clips longer than 2 Minutes, but I don't get this tool working. I still think I operate the software wrong. Furthermore I did select now about 120 of these clips (in total about 50 minutes), then right mouse button "detect and correct"... at the end the message is "Detect Clips120 Corrected Clips 0". Also when the software really would not work perfect, there must be about 100 flashes within these clip and it should detect at least some of them. I think there must be an info for each clip when I select the clip and click on Flash Band under the Preview Monitor. There is zero info in the timecode, detect or status field and the clips look still untouched. Also in the Folder "Flash Band" (think that's the place where clipBrowser will place the corrected clips) is empty! Any idea what I'm doing wrong? Or maybe a OS problem? I'm running the ClipBrowser v2.6 on Vista 64 on Quad Core Notebook. As Steve wrote he has problems on his Windows 7 machine. Maybe the sometimes strange "user accounts settings" on Vista cause the trouble and will not allow the clipbrowser to change something on the clips or to copy them ???

November 19th, 2009, 07:10 AM	#13
Craig Seeman Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Posts: 3,841	It seems there may be a compatibility issue with Windows 7 so I hear. So it's not just us Mac Snow Leopard users who had to suffer. I guess Sony didn't have enough lead time to develop a 7 compatible version as the OS beta only went public . . . how many months ago!

November 19th, 2009, 08:46 AM	#14
Adam Plywaczewski New Boot Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Warsaw, Poland Posts: 14	Well, our ClipBrowser paired with OSX 10.5, nor with Windows XP did not detect any of the obvious flashes from the 6 minutes long photoshoot footage recorded. So what's detect mode for?