Thinking of getting an SXS card.

Jan van den Heuvel · October 9th, 2009, 06:49 AM

Using the SDHCcards we have had 4 errors called "Media needs to be restored" during the actual shoot only in one of those cases we lost the actual clip. The documentary director was very uptight and I had to rent 64GB of SxS cards to keep my customer happy. For me in the future only the originals unless we shoot just for fun!!!

Doug Jensen · October 9th, 2009, 07:10 AM

Jan,

You're going to see that "Media Needs to be Restored" message occassionally even with genuine SxS cards so don't let it freak you out when it happens again. It will happen again.

As I unserstand it, it's really just a housekeeping function of the XML files and other information on the card and has nothing to do with the video clips themselves. I've seen it pop up several times over the past 2 years and I have never lost a clip or had any issues with letting the camera restore the media. But it is a little scary when you see it the first couple of times. When I see it now (which is very rare) I don't even give it a second thought. I just say "OK" and move on.

You say that you lost clips with the SD cards, but I'll bet THAT is what caused the "restore" message to appear, and not the other way around.

Marcus Durham · October 9th, 2009, 07:20 AM

Just as a note of caution, on one occasion I had my EX1 demand to do a media restore on a write protected card I knew had been fine just an hour previously. I turned the camera off and turned it back on again and it was fine. Never asked to do another restore.

Anthony McErlean · October 9th, 2009, 08:44 AM

Do I have to test record this new 32gb sxs card before I use it or can I just insert it and start recording.

If I had an SxS card in one slot and an SDHC card in the other will it change from the sxs to the SDHC card without problems.

Graham King · October 9th, 2009, 10:51 AM

You would be wise to test it before any paying shoot but I probably won't just because I'm a lazy bum. Just switch slots before the current card is full so if there is a problem you have time to correct it.

Switching from SxS to SDHC and vice versa isn't a problem as long as you've covered all the usual pitfalls such as having the SDHC card locked.

Anthony McErlean · October 9th, 2009, 11:58 AM

Ok Graham, thanks for that.

David Heath · October 10th, 2009, 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony McErlean

Do I have to test record this new 32gb sxs card before I use it or can I just insert it and start recording.

One of the reasons SDHC cards are so much cheaper than SxS or P2 is because they are only likely to be batch tested, not on a card by card basis. Hence an occasional card that doesn't meet spec from new.

SxS and P2 are supposed to be individually tested prior to sale, so the chances of a customer buying a dud should be far less. Coupled with the faster speed (so far better headroom) it's highly unlikely that it won't record reliably straight from the packet.

But the question you have to ask is whether you find the large extra cost worth the pre-sale verification, and higher download speed. You never get anything for nothing. Real point of all this is that if anyone does decide to use SDHC. they MUST perform their own performance checks before serious use.

Anthony McErlean · October 11th, 2009, 12:56 PM

I have my three SxS cards copied to the PC hard drive via clip browser.
Each SXS card is copied to its own folder.
I want to make a backup to an external harddrive.
Do I have to use clip browser again to do this or will a copy and paste to the external drive be OK.

Thanks.

William Griffin · October 11th, 2009, 01:29 PM

see my thread and it will answer your questions:

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/1426987-post17.html

Anthony McErlean · October 11th, 2009, 03:12 PM

Thanks Bill.

October 9th, 2009, 07:10 AM	#47
Doug Jensen Vortex Media Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 3,442	Jan, You're going to see that "Media Needs to be Restored" message occassionally even with genuine SxS cards so don't let it freak you out when it happens again. It will happen again. As I unserstand it, it's really just a housekeeping function of the XML files and other information on the card and has nothing to do with the video clips themselves. I've seen it pop up several times over the past 2 years and I have never lost a clip or had any issues with letting the camera restore the media. But it is a little scary when you see it the first couple of times. When I see it now (which is very rare) I don't even give it a second thought. I just say "OK" and move on. You say that you lost clips with the SD cards, but I'll bet THAT is what caused the "restore" message to appear, and not the other way around. __________________ Vortex Media http://www.vortexmedia.com/ Sony FS7, F55, and XDCAM training videos, field guides, and other production tools

October 11th, 2009, 01:29 PM	#54
William Griffin Major Player Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 204	see my thread and it will answer your questions: http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/1426987-post17.html __________________ Bill Griffin SONY PXW-X320,PMW-300K2, LiveU LU-500,Sound Devices 552 Mixer,www.Dallascamguy.com

October 9th, 2009, 06:49 AM	#46
Jan van den Heuvel New Boot Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Cape Town, South Africa Posts: 5	Using the SDHCcards we have had 4 errors called "Media needs to be restored" during the actual shoot only in one of those cases we lost the actual clip. The documentary director was very uptight and I had to rent 64GB of SxS cards to keep my customer happy. For me in the future only the originals unless we shoot just for fun!!!

October 9th, 2009, 07:20 AM	#48
Marcus Durham Major Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 693	Just as a note of caution, on one occasion I had my EX1 demand to do a media restore on a write protected card I knew had been fine just an hour previously. I turned the camera off and turned it back on again and it was fine. Never asked to do another restore.

October 9th, 2009, 08:44 AM	#49
Anthony McErlean Trustee Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,081	Do I have to test record this new 32gb sxs card before I use it or can I just insert it and start recording. If I had an SxS card in one slot and an SDHC card in the other will it change from the sxs to the SDHC card without problems.

October 9th, 2009, 10:51 AM	#50
Graham King Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 112	You would be wise to test it before any paying shoot but I probably won't just because I'm a lazy bum. Just switch slots before the current card is full so if there is a problem you have time to correct it. Switching from SxS to SDHC and vice versa isn't a problem as long as you've covered all the usual pitfalls such as having the SDHC card locked.

October 9th, 2009, 11:58 AM	#51
Anthony McErlean Trustee Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,081	Ok Graham, thanks for that.

October 11th, 2009, 12:56 PM	#53
Anthony McErlean Trustee Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,081	I have my three SxS cards copied to the PC hard drive via clip browser. Each SXS card is copied to its own folder. I want to make a backup to an external harddrive. Do I have to use clip browser again to do this or will a copy and paste to the external drive be OK. Thanks.

October 11th, 2009, 03:12 PM	#55
Anthony McErlean Trustee Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,081	Thanks Bill.