XDCAM EX to Blu-ray using FCP7? at DVinfo.net

Peter Axford · July 30th, 2009, 11:46 PM

I wonder if anyone yet knows whether we can deliver our XDCAM EX HQ footage direct on a Blu-ray without the need to transcode it from MPEG2 to AVC (H.264) in FCP7? This could be a real time saver as the HQ modes are supposed to be compatible with the Blu-ray spec.

Florian Gintenreiter · August 1st, 2009, 12:57 PM

No you can't do that.

Steve Shovlar · August 2nd, 2009, 05:32 AM

I think this is a real pain. H.264 takes so long to render out. I think I will stick to Toast at the moment which is far faster and gives just as good results. H.264 is great but the render times are murderous.

Peter Axford · August 2nd, 2009, 11:58 PM

Sad that Apple didn't do this - such an obvious thing to do! Thanks for your responses.

Mitchell Lewis · August 3rd, 2009, 08:06 AM

An Elgato Turbo.264 HD Encoder/Accelerator ($129 on Amazon) will cut your h.264 encoding time by more than 1/2. But yeah, it would be cool if you could just transfer the raw clips to blu-ray. Not sure if that will ever happen though. (you sure it's really possible?)

Steve Shovlar · August 4th, 2009, 03:39 AM

Blu-ray can be either H.264 or Mpeg-2. Toast does Mpeg-2 so why not Apple?

Really the facility is FCP7 is very poor and for screeners, not full authored Blu-ray dvd. The Sony Vegas package can do fully matered Blu-ray dvd, as can Encore. Why not FCS3?

This latest version of Final Cut Studio is a complete let down.

Craig Seeman · August 4th, 2009, 09:36 AM

Try Matrox CompressHD in Compressor. BLAZING FAST and has Blu-ray presets. My encodes are a bit faster than real time. 60 minutes of video to any H.264 format including Blu-ray is UNDER 60 MINUTES to encode.

BTW it's a professional tool with professional results (at least matches Apple's H.264 quality) unlike the Turbo.

Steve Shovlar · August 5th, 2009, 12:33 PM

Thanks for the heads up on that Craig. I have a lot of HD content going out on Blu-ray at the moment and one of these will save me a lot of time.

Eric A Robinson · August 5th, 2009, 04:13 PM

Hi Guys

I am not sure where you have all got your info from, but who ever it was they sold you a total dummy in that you can most defiantly export your timeline in the new version of FCP7 to a Blu-ray disc direct. Don't believe me? go to the link below which is a selection of movies from Ripple training, covering some of the new features in FCP Studio 3. The last one on Final Cut 7 covers how you can export from your time line direct to... Blu-ray.
The truth is out there if you look hard enough.

Ripple Training

Craig Seeman · August 5th, 2009, 04:24 PM

That's a re-encode/transcode.

EX MPEG-2 35mbps VBR meets Blu-ray spec (I was told this by a significant person at Sony) and only needs to be re-wrapped/packaged, NOT re-encoded. FCP/Compressor export apparently can NOT do this. Not even FCP 7, Compressor 3.5. It will re-encode the file which is lossy.

In theory it can be done without any additional loss . . . but not in Final Cut Studio.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric A Robinson

Hi Guys

I am not sure where you have all got your info from, but who ever it was they sold you a total dummy in that you can most defiantly export your timeline in the new version of FCP7 to a Blu-ray disc direct. Don't believe me? go to the link below which is a selection of movies from Ripple training, covering some of the new features in FCP Studio 3. The last one on Final Cut 7 covers how you can export from your time line direct to... Blu-ray.
The truth is out there if you look hard enough.

Ripple Training

Mike Chandler · August 5th, 2009, 05:58 PM

This might help. Click to enlarge. It's exporting (an EX 1080p30, VBR sequence) for blu-ray in H.264

Eric A Robinson · August 11th, 2009, 07:39 AM

Listen to this, the podcast gives in-depth info on the new version of FCP and how blu-ray is implemented in the new version. It should answer any questions you have both on the new version and the Blu-ray question.

http://www.digitalproductionbuzz.com...z_09_07_23.m4a

Brent Ethington · August 11th, 2009, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Chandler

This might help. Click to enlarge. It's exporting (an EX 1080p30, VBR sequence) for blu-ray in H.264

correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that 1080p30 wasn't legal blu-ray spec - whereas 1080i60 and 1080p24 are?

Peter Axford · October 31st, 2009, 04:53 AM

I am resurrecting in this post after so long as I now have a BD writer. Thanks for all your responses so far.

I am finding the situation quite frustrating as I don't want to go to the trouble of re-encoding/transcoding material. Is there any easy way, preferably Mac but I'm willing to try PC, that will re-wrap (rather than re-encode/transcode) my video so it will work on a BD. I am getting brilliant results when changing my films to AVC but its a waste of valuable time waiting for what should be an unnecessary render.

In response to previous posts:

Elgato Turbo.264 HD - only encodes 1080p up to 10Mbps far too compressed for large screen viewing

Matrox Compress HD in Compressor - an interesting solution but my footage should already be BD legal without re-encoding/transcoding

1080p25/30 are supported in the BD spec through progressive segmented frame in 50i/60i containers so all XDCAM EX HQ modes on my EX1 and 3 are compatible

Markus Klatt · October 31st, 2009, 06:08 AM

I second that question for PC, please. Is there a way with Adobe CS4 and/or TMPGEnc (or any other payable encoder) to rewrap EX footage 1080/50i to meet the Blu-ray spec?

Till now I encoded in H.264 on an i7 CPU which works fine, somehow, but if one can eliminate the reencoding for demonstration purposes for the clients it would be great.
For any delivery of a "final" Blu-ray I have to reencode anyway because of cutting, blending and slight picture filtering...

July 30th, 2009, 11:46 PM	#1
Peter Axford New Boot Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 12	XDCAM EX to Blu-ray using FCP7? I wonder if anyone yet knows whether we can deliver our XDCAM EX HQ footage direct on a Blu-ray without the need to transcode it from MPEG2 to AVC (H.264) in FCP7? This could be a real time saver as the HQ modes are supposed to be compatible with the Blu-ray spec.

August 3rd, 2009, 08:06 AM	#5
Mitchell Lewis Trustee Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Kennewick, WA Posts: 1,124	An Elgato Turbo.264 HD Encoder/Accelerator ($129 on Amazon) will cut your h.264 encoding time by more than 1/2. But yeah, it would be cool if you could just transfer the raw clips to blu-ray. Not sure if that will ever happen though. (you sure it's really possible?) __________________ Sony EX3, Canon 5D MkII, Chrosziel Matte Box, Sachtler tripod, Steadicam Flyer, Mac Pro, Apple/Adobe software - 20 years as a local videographer/editor

August 5th, 2009, 04:13 PM	#9
Eric A Robinson Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Posts: 82	Mis-information Hi Guys I am not sure where you have all got your info from, but who ever it was they sold you a total dummy in that you can most defiantly export your timeline in the new version of FCP7 to a Blu-ray disc direct. Don't believe me? go to the link below which is a selection of movies from Ripple training, covering some of the new features in FCP Studio 3. The last one on Final Cut 7 covers how you can export from your time line direct to... Blu-ray. The truth is out there if you look hard enough. Ripple Training

August 5th, 2009, 05:58 PM	#11
Mike Chandler Major Player Join Date: May 2008 Location: Moab, UT Posts: 264	This might help. Click to enlarge. It's exporting (an EX 1080p30, VBR sequence) for blu-ray in H.264 Attached Thumbnails __________________ www.packcreekproductions.com EX3, Mac Pro, FCP

August 11th, 2009, 07:39 AM	#12
Eric A Robinson Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Posts: 82	info on Final Cut and Blu Ray Listen to this, the podcast gives in-depth info on the new version of FCP and how blu-ray is implemented in the new version. It should answer any questions you have both on the new version and the Blu-ray question. http://www.digitalproductionbuzz.com...z_09_07_23.m4a

August 1st, 2009, 12:57 PM	#2
Florian Gintenreiter New Boot Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Österreich Posts: 6	No you can't do that.

August 2nd, 2009, 05:32 AM	#3
Steve Shovlar Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dorset UK Posts: 697	I think this is a real pain. H.264 takes so long to render out. I think I will stick to Toast at the moment which is far faster and gives just as good results. H.264 is great but the render times are murderous.

August 2nd, 2009, 11:58 PM	#4
Peter Axford New Boot Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 12	Sad that Apple didn't do this - such an obvious thing to do! Thanks for your responses.

August 4th, 2009, 03:39 AM	#6
Steve Shovlar Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dorset UK Posts: 697	Blu-ray can be either H.264 or Mpeg-2. Toast does Mpeg-2 so why not Apple? Really the facility is FCP7 is very poor and for screeners, not full authored Blu-ray dvd. The Sony Vegas package can do fully matered Blu-ray dvd, as can Encore. Why not FCS3? This latest version of Final Cut Studio is a complete let down.

August 4th, 2009, 09:36 AM	#7
Craig Seeman Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Posts: 3,841	Try Matrox CompressHD in Compressor. BLAZING FAST and has Blu-ray presets. My encodes are a bit faster than real time. 60 minutes of video to any H.264 format including Blu-ray is UNDER 60 MINUTES to encode. BTW it's a professional tool with professional results (at least matches Apple's H.264 quality) unlike the Turbo.

August 5th, 2009, 12:33 PM	#8
Steve Shovlar Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dorset UK Posts: 697	Thanks for the heads up on that Craig. I have a lot of HD content going out on Blu-ray at the moment and one of these will save me a lot of time.

October 31st, 2009, 04:53 AM	#14
Peter Axford New Boot Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 12	I am resurrecting in this post after so long as I now have a BD writer. Thanks for all your responses so far. I am finding the situation quite frustrating as I don't want to go to the trouble of re-encoding/transcoding material. Is there any easy way, preferably Mac but I'm willing to try PC, that will re-wrap (rather than re-encode/transcode) my video so it will work on a BD. I am getting brilliant results when changing my films to AVC but its a waste of valuable time waiting for what should be an unnecessary render. In response to previous posts: Elgato Turbo.264 HD - only encodes 1080p up to 10Mbps far too compressed for large screen viewing Matrox Compress HD in Compressor - an interesting solution but my footage should already be BD legal without re-encoding/transcoding 1080p25/30 are supported in the BD spec through progressive segmented frame in 50i/60i containers so all XDCAM EX HQ modes on my EX1 and 3 are compatible

October 31st, 2009, 06:08 AM	#15
Markus Klatt Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 169	I second that question for PC, please. Is there a way with Adobe CS4 and/or TMPGEnc (or any other payable encoder) to rewrap EX footage 1080/50i to meet the Blu-ray spec? Till now I encoded in H.264 on an i7 CPU which works fine, somehow, but if one can eliminate the reencoding for demonstration purposes for the clients it would be great. For any delivery of a "final" Blu-ray I have to reencode anyway because of cutting, blending and slight picture filtering...