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July 28th, 2009, 03:33 AM | #1 |
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EX3 stock lens vs. 3rd party lenses on ramping and breathing
The EX stock lens doesn't ramp or breathe, an excellent feature. Have any EX3 owners found this to be of any other 1/2" lenses from Fuji or Canon?
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July 29th, 2009, 11:29 AM | #2 |
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All traditional lenses will breathe to greater or lesser extent as focusing is achieved by moving the front lens element forwards and backwards. Most of the lower cost HD lenses breathe quite a lot. The ex lenses don't breathe as focusing is done by electronicaly moving the some of the rear lens elements.
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My XS lens on my EX3 breathes quite a bit, but as Alister mentioned, that is because of the lens movement. Not a big deal for me.
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It does ramp, but the F-Stop reading doesn't show it. From about 10mm it ramps up from F1.9 to F2.8.
Zoom in on something, and your spot meter doesn't move until you pass F2.8.
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The Fujinon HSs18x5.5 lens that I use on my EX3 has no noticeable breathing or ramping at all. Unfortunately, it is a $12,000 lens.
To dispute a thread on another forum (that shall remain nameless) about breathing with Nikon lenses, I did this quick test to show that breathing is not a problem using the Adaptimax and quality Nikon lenses. Adaptimax Lens Breathing Demonstration on Vimeo
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Doug I would suggest that your clip show quite a lot of breathing. The tree on the left moves a long way in to the left as it comes in to focus. I think what the clip shows is that the shallow depth of field created by the long focal length hides the breathing.
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That's not breathing. That's a side effect of the FCP smoothing filter I applied. I'll try to post the unfiltered footage when I can. The Nikon lenses don't having any noticable breathing that would prevent racking focus.
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I can't wait for your unfiltered footage, Doug. Because like Alister, I can see a lot of breathing on the tree trunk!
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I uploaded a new version without smoothing. Whatever movement you see is due to the wind and my shakey hands. This particular lens is not very easy to rack focus.
This version o fhte video is HD and I added a grid to make it easier to see that there is virtually no breathing. I won't go so far as to say "none" even though I don't see any. Every lens probably has some breathing. The point of this video is that Nikon SLR lenses do no exhibit any more breathing than any other lens. I know that is a true statement. http://vimeo.com/5515816
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Thanks Doug.
I guess it's comparable to the extent of breathing I'm getting from my Canon FD 50/1.4 I use with Letus adapter. It's certainly less distracting than with my Canon FD zoom lens - but that's to be expected.
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So electronic movement of the rear lens element which eliminates the breathing is how EX performs the backfocus it appears. That's interesting. I'd still prefer manual backfocus vs. "auto" backfocus however.
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Back focus on EX-3
The first time I ran the auto back focus on my EX-3 I almost ruined a shoot I was doing the next day. It left the back focus so very far off that I had to work around it by pretty much avoiding any zooms.
So I made a giant back focus target (four pieces of paper taped together) and ran it on that. It gave great results, and it was kind of fun watching the thing happening. I don't have the photoshop file on this computer, but if anyone wants to email me at tipsd9video@msn.com I can send it later. I did it in photoshop as I recall, but it would be even better in a vector graphics program like Illustrator or Corel. Tip |
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