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HDD speeds
I'm building an edit system for my EX-3. I have a macbookpro with fw800 & CS4.
I'm trying to determine what type of HDD's I need for editing/storage. A lot of what I will be doing, I want to keep long term. I could buy a set of fast HDD's for the actual editing and a set of slower USB drives just for backup. I could buy Raid1 drives for simultanious backup and editing. Or? The reason for posting here instead of in the edit forums is I want to account for the speed needed to handle EX HD footage. How fast is fast enough? The projects will be fairly simple. 2 to 3 minute videos with basic cuts, disolves, some CC, a few titles, music bed & VO. I would like portability as I will be travelling. Of course, cost is always a concern. |
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This was a real eye opener when I first learned that:
Standard Def DV = 25mbs XDCAM EX = 35mbs So most any hard drive will work okay. Although when you start converting things to ProRes HQ or worse yet, 10-but uncompressed HD. Then you will surely need a fast hard drive (RAID, etc...) We have a 5-drive RAID that is striped RAID-5 so if one drive goes bad, the unit switches seamlessly to RAID-0 and you can keep working while you find a replacement drive. In addition we have a larger, inexpensive drive that we use for daily backup using Apple's built-in Time Machine. Once the RAID fills up, we archive off to portable 500GB bus powered hard drives and store them on the self. We use EMC Retrospect Desktop Backup software to keep track of everything.
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I edit native XDcam with no conversion in Adobe PP3 and here is what I'm doing.
1) 2 x 500Gb 7200 rpm Seagates striped as RAID 0 2) 4 x 1Tb 7200 rpm Seagates in a DROBO I use RAID 0 vs 1 for speed and only have media on the RAID that is backed up elsewhere. I use the DROBO for all my nearline backups (Drobo is redundant storage). I've had the 500Gb drvies for a couple of years so I'll probably replace them soon. If I was building today I would go with 2 x 1Tb. The important thing is that I don't put anything on the RAID other than video. Everything else goes to my project drive (I also have a scratch drive). Alan PS: I should add I am this is my home system that is only used for personal projects. Last edited by Alan Kennedy; June 9th, 2009 at 06:31 AM. Reason: Needed to add information |
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bandwith of video is ridiculously small in regard of hard disk speed.
XDCAM-EX is 35Mbps or about 4Mbytes/sec. Recent hard disk have 80 Mbytes/sec, so 20 time faster. Consequence of these highly compressed data is the huge amount of calculation required to uncompress/recompress the pictures. So you better will look for a fast computer than for a fast hard disk. The Core2 duo E8600 is rated a 3.2 ghz but can run easily around 4Ghz. Faster memory (DDR2 1066 and over instead classic DD2 800) will also makes the difference since video editing means moving huge quantity of memory. The i920 is also a big performer when overclocked. |
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OK, here's a good one...what is a scratch disc or scratch drive?
I'm still trying to figure out a HDD config. I will want to keep clips long term. I'm thinking of getting pairs of drives, a FW 800 and a matching sized usb drive. Probably around 320 to 500gb for each pair. Use the usb drive as backup to the FW800 drive that would get the footage and then get backed up by the usb drive. I'm pretty green on configuring editing. Where should I put my project folders? I'm using a new mbp17 |
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A scratch drive is used as storage for temporary files such as renders, audio conforms etc. You certainly don't need a seperate drive for this! I just had a spare handy.
My system was built two years (dual core 2.66) has this configuration. Inside the box: 1 x 160 Gb system drive - OS, software etc. 1 x 320 Gb Projects/Data drive - this is where I put my PremierePro and Encore projects, graphics etc. 2 x 500 Gb as RAID 0 - video material only 1 x 320 Gb drive for temp/scratch or any other replacable data Outside: 4 x 1Tb Drobo - nearline storage of all current and past projects No matter how you configure your dirves, the most important thing is backing up your data - drives do fail. I sync my data drive to the Drobo every day as well as periodic DVD backups. My video material exists on the Drobo as well as on a stored removable drive (soon to be backed up on Blu Ray). I don't backup my scratch or system drives. As was stated earlier, the XDcam stream is small compared to the bandwidth of modern SATA drives. I have the RAID because I deal with a lot of uncompressed video (graphics). If I was building a system today, at a minimum I would have a system, data and video drive - but that is just my opinion. Alan |
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One only needs one hard drive crash to understand the value of RAID 5. IMHO, as individual drives have become larger they have become the more unsound. I've two systems, both with RAID 5, and both have a hard drive crash in the past year. Both times the RAID array saved the project. Dropped in a new drive and off I went. RAID 0 is faster but as described above, most of us don't need the speed.
I do use a separate scratch disk and that is not RAID. It it fails I can always regenerate that media from the project. |
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Understood. But what about the advantages/disadvantages of raid 5 vs raid 1+0 (or 0+1).When editing, we all need the speed.
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