EX1/3 Picture Profile Worksheet/Form

Ben Chiu · April 27th, 2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by John Hedgecoe

I use Foxit Reader for pdf's.

FWIW, I use Foxit Reader too and get the same password problem.

Barry J. Anwender · April 27th, 2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by John Hedgecoe

Nice Try? What are you talking about. I tried to open the file to VIEW it. I was not trying to modify it - since I could not open it to view it how on earth could I modify it?

Why are you making this so difficult? Just post the file as a NORMAL pdf and let everyone view it. It seems like many others are having problems too.

I do not use acrobat as I will not allow the bloated adobe acrobat on my system. I use Foxit Reader for pdf's.

John, I just installed FoxIt Reader 3.0 Build 1506 in XPSP3 and it opened the "Adobe Version 7 or higher" pdf without any problems and without asking for a password. It actually permits the use of Form Fields but without initially revealing the pull-down buttons until you select the field. BTW, the EX3 field is default so it can be set to show the EX1 mode. Gaaads, it even reveals the tool tips. Go Figure!

The choice to not use Adobe's product is yours to make, in which case use I can only suggest you use the Excel Spreadsheet or create your own using FoxIt Creator. Cheers!

John Hedgecoe · April 28th, 2009, 05:05 AM

Just checked, I'm using v3 build 1120.

Ok, I'll go download the latest Foxit Reader and give it a try. Thanks for the info.

Ed Kukla · April 28th, 2009, 05:54 AM

My attempts for open failed also.
error; adobe cannot decrypt this document

I get no choices to do anything it just fails, period

Kevin Spahr · April 28th, 2009, 06:37 AM

I opened the xls and saved it as a Numbers file for those Mac users with iWork.

Barry J. Anwender · April 28th, 2009, 08:36 AM

Sony’s EX-XDCAM Picture Profiles consist of:

- 11 Picture Profile “Functions”
- 50 Picture Profile “Variables”
- An “array/range” of Numerical or Text “Values” for each variable
- Resultant video footage that is “highly user-subjective” for an given “profile variations”
- A given EX1 picture profile seems to produce a different EX3 result

Anyone with a mathematics background immediately recognizes that managing Picture Profiles cannot be done with a one-dimensional presentation in a simple text document. Sony’s camera manual as such is a linear one-dimensional presentation of Picture Profile functionality—it merely provides the raw data. The camera manual does not in any way provide a hint of how to apply picture profiles in the real-world, nor does it attempt to describe possible outcomes for end-user Picture Profile variations.

At the very least, what is needed is a simple tool that can manage the multi-dimensional nature of the complex Picture Profile equation. There is also a need to consolidate Sony’s White papers and the collective wisdom of a select few so that end-users can attempt to understand the possible effects of using Picture Profiles in our real-world video footage. This latter need is a separate matter. The first priority is to obtain an effective management tool for Picture Profile possibilities.

A Picture Profile management tool needs to work on Mac and PC(Windows) computer platforms. It needs to accommodate:

a) A two-dimensional presentation of Picture Profile “functions and variables”
b) A two-dimensional presentation of Picture Profile array “variables”
c) Present the range of allowable “values” for each variable
d) Allow the end-use to keep track of “subjective field notes” for function variations.

Hence, I have provided one approach to manage the complex nature of Picture Profiles without having to tediously consult the camera manual. I have done this with Adobe’s Acrobat document management tool.

I am confident that with all the talent, creativity and time of individuals in the EX-XDCAM forums that there is room for innovation and other approaches to the problem. Please keep your solution to a one page 8.5x11 document and as a minimum provide the same functionality for both Mac and PC computers.

Cheers :-)

P.S. Added a field to enter a synopsis of the shoot as well as for the Picture Profile number.

John Hedgecoe · April 28th, 2009, 11:23 AM

I just downloaded and installed FoxIt Reader 3.0 Build 1506 and when I try to open your pdf file I still get asked for a password. WTF!!!

I give up.

Barry J. Anwender · April 28th, 2009, 02:45 PM

Indeed there seems to be nothing more to offer.

Don Greening · April 28th, 2009, 06:07 PM

I just opened Barry's .pdf on a Macbook Pro using Adobe Reader 8 and it was fine.

Maybe it only works if you both live in Canada :)

- Don

Sean Adair · April 29th, 2009, 05:33 PM

Nice implementation Barry!
Something like this would also be useful for the new JVC HM700 scene presets. However I certainly couldn't build a thing of beauty like this from scratch. Very sweet.
(Mac/Acrobat Pro 9)

Barry J. Anwender · April 29th, 2009, 05:56 PM

Thank you Don and Sean. Apparently Sony Picture Profile innovations are a hot-potato as also evidenced by some of the discussion in the recipe forum. It is nice to hear some appreciation. My only hope is that it can be useful tool for those of us who are learning/trying to use picture profiles to get the most from our cameras. Cheers!

Serena Steuart · April 30th, 2009, 12:40 AM

Works OK for me. Initially I expected it to allow all PP settings to be stored on the sheet in electronic form, but really much more useful to print out a sheet for each PP. Which is obviously the intent. Thanks.

Barry J. Anwender · April 30th, 2009, 08:21 AM

Serena, unfortunately Adobe Acrobat is required to save an electronic form and of course print it. Adobe's market differentiation from the free Adobe Reader. I did discover that the freeware FoxIt Reader on the Windows platform does allow one to set the Form Fields, to save and print the electronic form.

Unlike one poster above, the FoxIt Readers opens the Worksheet properly on my machine at least. Perhaps because I had previously installed the Adobe Reader 9.1. So it may be that combination of the two installed apps is what enables FoxIt to provide full functionality.

Here is the worksheet opened in FoxIt, modified some of the fields, then saved from FoxIt and reopened in FoxIt.

Keith Moreau · May 11th, 2009, 10:52 AM

Barry, I just wanted to thank you for taking the time to produce this and give it to the EX community. I didn't have any problems using it with Acrobat Pro 9 on the Mac, which I have, so it worked quite well for me.

I think there is probably a way to get the the Acrobat Pro PDF functionality into Excel, such as drop down menu and cell comments that you've added to the PDF, which might make the tool more universal. However for me it's fine as it is, no extra work required for me.

For me it was great because I was just thinking of creating a Excel sheet to store my settings so I could easily compare and archive settings. I did a quick search and your tool came up, and I was able to use it immediately for what I needed and it was quite helpful.

Thanks again!

Gavin Rawlings · May 12th, 2009, 01:32 AM

Great form Barry! Opened fine on my computer with Adobe 9. Ill be putting this form to use for sure :)

April 28th, 2009, 02:45 PM	#23
Barry J. Anwender Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 382	Indeed there seems to be nothing more to offer. Attached Thumbnails

April 28th, 2009, 06:07 PM	#24
Don Greening Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Port Coquitlam BC Canada Posts: 179	I just opened Barry's .pdf on a Macbook Pro using Adobe Reader 8 and it was fine. Maybe it only works if you both live in Canada :) - Don Last edited by Don Greening; April 28th, 2009 at 06:08 PM. Reason: addition

April 29th, 2009, 05:33 PM	#25
Sean Adair Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 463	Nice implementation Barry! Something like this would also be useful for the new JVC HM700 scene presets. However I certainly couldn't build a thing of beauty like this from scratch. Very sweet. (Mac/Acrobat Pro 9) __________________ Sean Adair - NYC - www.adairproductions.com JVC GY-HM-700 with 17x5 lens, MacPro 3.2ghz 8-core, 18gb. (JVC HD200 4 sale soon)

April 30th, 2009, 08:21 AM	#28
Barry J. Anwender Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 382	Serena, unfortunately Adobe Acrobat is required to save an electronic form and of course print it. Adobe's market differentiation from the free Adobe Reader. I did discover that the freeware FoxIt Reader on the Windows platform does allow one to set the Form Fields, to save and print the electronic form. Unlike one poster above, the FoxIt Readers opens the Worksheet properly on my machine at least. Perhaps because I had previously installed the Adobe Reader 9.1. So it may be that combination of the two installed apps is what enables FoxIt to provide full functionality. Here is the worksheet opened in FoxIt, modified some of the fields, then saved from FoxIt and reopened in FoxIt. Attached Thumbnails

April 28th, 2009, 05:05 AM	#18
John Hedgecoe Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 146	Just checked, I'm using v3 build 1120. Ok, I'll go download the latest Foxit Reader and give it a try. Thanks for the info.

April 28th, 2009, 05:54 AM	#19
Ed Kukla Major Player Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: All over, USA Posts: 512	My attempts for open failed also. error; adobe cannot decrypt this document I get no choices to do anything it just fails, period

April 28th, 2009, 11:23 AM	#22
John Hedgecoe Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 146	I just downloaded and installed FoxIt Reader 3.0 Build 1506 and when I try to open your pdf file I still get asked for a password. WTF!!! I give up.

April 29th, 2009, 05:56 PM	#26
Barry J. Anwender Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 382	Thank you Don and Sean. Apparently Sony Picture Profile innovations are a hot-potato as also evidenced by some of the discussion in the recipe forum. It is nice to hear some appreciation. My only hope is that it can be useful tool for those of us who are learning/trying to use picture profiles to get the most from our cameras. Cheers!

April 30th, 2009, 12:40 AM	#27
Serena Steuart Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Studio Alnitak, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Posts: 640 Images: 3	Works OK for me. Initially I expected it to allow all PP settings to be stored on the sheet in electronic form, but really much more useful to print out a sheet for each PP. Which is obviously the intent. Thanks.

May 11th, 2009, 10:52 AM	#29
Keith Moreau Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Brisbane, California Posts: 530	Barry, I just wanted to thank you for taking the time to produce this and give it to the EX community. I didn't have any problems using it with Acrobat Pro 9 on the Mac, which I have, so it worked quite well for me. I think there is probably a way to get the the Acrobat Pro PDF functionality into Excel, such as drop down menu and cell comments that you've added to the PDF, which might make the tool more universal. However for me it's fine as it is, no extra work required for me. For me it was great because I was just thinking of creating a Excel sheet to store my settings so I could easily compare and archive settings. I did a quick search and your tool came up, and I was able to use it immediately for what I needed and it was quite helpful. Thanks again!

May 12th, 2009, 01:32 AM	#30
Gavin Rawlings Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia Posts: 40	Great form Barry! Opened fine on my computer with Adobe 9. Ill be putting this form to use for sure :)